Not For You is a minute and a half to two minutes too long. There's not enough going on in the song to warrant a nearly six minute song.
Bugs and Aya Davanita are too long. At nearly three minutes long the crossover from being musical to full fledged songs. As full fledged songs they are both out of place on this album and just not that good.
Betterman should have been the closer on Vs. with a toughened up Hard To Imagine taking its place on Vitalogy. Indifference not seeing the light of day until Lost Dogs would have been an okay thing.
Re: What is Each Album's Major Flaw?: Vitalogy
Posted: Mon May 19, 2014 7:46 pm
by Norah
Anyone who thinks Aye Davanita just isn't that good can go suck a bag of dicks.
Re: What is Each Album's Major Flaw?: Vitalogy
Posted: Mon May 19, 2014 7:51 pm
by surfndestroy
cutuphalfdead wrote:Anyone who thinks Aye Davanita just isn't that good can go suck a bag of dicks.
It's nearly summer. At least make it a banana popsicle.
Re: What is Each Album's Major Flaw?: Vitalogy
Posted: Mon May 19, 2014 7:54 pm
by bodysnatcher
cutuphalfdead wrote:Anyone who thinks Aye Davanita just isn't that good can go suck a bag of dicks.
yup
Re: What is Each Album's Major Flaw?: Vitalogy
Posted: Mon May 19, 2014 7:58 pm
by bodysnatcher
McP already said it. Nothingman is the weakest link on this album. I like the song, don't gimme wrong. It's just oddly out of place.
Seems like I remember reading (years ago) that Ed and Jeff got in a basketball one-on-one match trying to decide if Nothingman or a different song would be on the album? Anyone know of that? Or know what the other song was?
Re: What is Each Album's Major Flaw?: Vitalogy
Posted: Mon May 19, 2014 8:07 pm
by Alex
the "one day she stiffened, took the other side" line sounds like a bad eddie vedder impersonator
Re: What is Each Album's Major Flaw?: Vitalogy
Posted: Mon May 19, 2014 8:09 pm
by Jorge
Alex wrote:the "one day she stiffened, took the other side" line sounds like a bad eddie vedder impersonator
you mean like
Re: What is Each Album's Major Flaw?: Vitalogy
Posted: Mon May 19, 2014 8:11 pm
by Kaius
theplatypus wrote:Aye Davanita is not long enough.
Re: What is Each Album's Major Flaw?: Vitalogy
Posted: Mon May 19, 2014 8:30 pm
by stip
surfndestroy wrote:
Not For You is a minute and a half to two minutes too long. There's just not enough musical ideas to warrant a six minute song.
I agree it's a bit too long
Re: What is Each Album's Major Flaw?: Vitalogy
Posted: Mon May 19, 2014 8:33 pm
by stip
Heathen wrote:
Kevin Davis wrote:
Heathen wrote:
theplatypus wrote:I think the "weirdness" of Vitalogy is somewhat overstated.
For all the talk of how the band was trying too hard to sound weird on the middle period albums, I think Vitalogy is the weirdest this band ever got. There hasn't been anything as "out there" as Stupid Mop since.
I would still say he's right, though--it's not an apt descriptor for the album as a whole, only for a few deliberately offbeat tracks that seem to shoulder a disproportionate percentage of the album's reputation.
Oh, sure. It's more a comment on how little sense it makes when people who have Vitalogy as one of their all-time favorite albums see the middle period albums as too experimental/difficult.
The key distinction between the two eras is not really one being more weird or experimental than the other as much as it is the presentation of the songs. I think it makes more sense to emphasize the inward or outward energy of the songs. At any rate, Vitalogy really bridges those two periods, and I imagine most people who are not in love with that middle run of records are probably not especially enamored with the 'experimental' tracks on vitalogy
Re: What is Each Album's Major Flaw?: Vitalogy
Posted: Mon May 19, 2014 8:49 pm
by jtmack20
not many. I think better studio versions of Satans bed and Immortality were possible. The album version of Immortality is not as epic as it could have been. I think the self pollution radio version gets closer to what it could have been. I think the "filler" tracks actually fit the album pretty well, and tie everything together.
Re: What is Each Album's Major Flaw?: Vitalogy
Posted: Mon May 19, 2014 11:12 pm
by mray10
stip wrote:
surfndestroy wrote:
Not For You is a minute and a half to two minutes too long. There's just not enough musical ideas to warrant a six minute song.
I agree it's a bit too long
No.
Re: What is Each Album's Major Flaw?: Vitalogy
Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 12:41 am
by BurtReynolds
3 minutes is too long? The thirteen minute ambient/drone/stoner epics i listen to put Aye Davinita to shame. Make it fifteen minutes long and we'll talk about too long.
You fucking guys....
Re: What is Each Album's Major Flaw?: Vitalogy
Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 8:00 am
by Got Some
Album should of started with Pry to
And ended with Immortality.
That's about it!!!
Re: What is Each Album's Major Flaw?: Vitalogy
Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 8:14 am
by Release_Me
stip wrote:
Heathen wrote:
Kevin Davis wrote:
Heathen wrote:
theplatypus wrote:I think the "weirdness" of Vitalogy is somewhat overstated.
For all the talk of how the band was trying too hard to sound weird on the middle period albums, I think Vitalogy is the weirdest this band ever got. There hasn't been anything as "out there" as Stupid Mop since.
I would still say he's right, though--it's not an apt descriptor for the album as a whole, only for a few deliberately offbeat tracks that seem to shoulder a disproportionate percentage of the album's reputation.
Oh, sure. It's more a comment on how little sense it makes when people who have Vitalogy as one of their all-time favorite albums see the middle period albums as too experimental/difficult.
The key distinction between the two eras is not really one being more weird or experimental than the other as much as it is the presentation of the songs. I think it makes more sense to emphasize the inward or outward energy of the songs. At any rate, Vitalogy really bridges those two periods, and I imagine most people who are not in love with that middle run of records are probably not especially enamored with the 'experimental' tracks on vitalogy
This. The actual songs on Vitalogy are great. I could do without the weird/experimental tracks which I still mostly ignore. They don't add anything to my experience of listening to the album. I still resent the fact that they tried to sabotage their best ever work by including these songs but that was their thing in 94.