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Didn't he kinda do that? Isn't there some scene where he sorta floats down from a slightly higher than comfortable height?

If we are being real (ummm yeah real) Vader would simply bribe Smaug and use him against the rebellion. They would never fight.

bada wrote:If we are being real (ummm yeah real) Vader would simply bribe Smaug and use him against the rebellion. They would never fight.

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durdencommatyler wrote:Each of those points has already been addressed, Stip. And your counter arguments against them were incomplete at best and goal-post moving at worst. Please try again.

Most of them have not been addressed, actually (please let me know if I missed a post)

A: Not particularly fast (when was the last time we saw him scurry anywhere)

Not addressed

B: Highly susceptible to fire

Not addressed

C: The force is usually applied to small objects. Manipulating large objects takes time and concentration

Yeah, I don't think Darth vader hucking some odds and ends at Luke is the same thing as stopping a dragon larger than an x-wing in mid flight. The only person we see do some major lifting with the force was Yoda, and that required intense concentration not really suitable to combat.

D: Lightsabers can cut through thick metal, but slowly.

I am conceding that vader could guide his light saber from a distance to attack smaug (although have we ever seen him do that?), but it's not like if the saber touches smaug it's going to instantly kill him. Just hurt him. And it does take a light saber time to cut through metal, so we don't know how immediately impactful it might be.


E: Incapable of flight


I concede that he could use his force powers at a longer distance, which is certainly a big check mark in his favor.

durdencommatyler wrote:Didn't he kinda do that? Isn't there some scene where he sorta floats down from a slightly higher than comfortable height?

He floats down a few stairs during his lightsaber duel with Luke in Jedi.

stip wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Didn't he kinda do that? Isn't there some scene where he sorta floats down from a slightly higher than comfortable height?

He floats down a few stairs during his lightsaber duel with Luke in Jedi.

There you go.

stip wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Each of those points has already been addressed, Stip. And your counter arguments against them were incomplete at best and goal-post moving at worst. Please try again.

Most of them have not been addressed, actually (please let me know if I missed a post)

A: Not particularly fast (when was the last time we saw him scurry anywhere)

Not addressed

B: Highly susceptible to fire

Not addressed

C: The force is usually applied to small objects. Manipulating large objects takes time and concentration

Yeah, I don't think Darth vader hucking some odds and ends at Luke is the same thing as stopping a dragon larger than an x-wing in mid flight. The only person we see do some major lifting with the force was Yoda, and that required intense concentration not really suitable to combat.

D: Lightsabers can cut through thick metal, but slowly.

I am conceding that vader could guide his light saber from a distance to attack smaug (although have we ever seen him do that?), but it's not like if the saber touches smaug it's going to instantly kill him. Just hurt him. And it does take a light saber time to cut through metal, so we don't know how immediately impactful it might be.


E: Incapable of flight


I concede that he could use his force powers at a longer distance, which is certainly a big check mark in his favor.

I'm not gonna do your homework for you, Jorge, I mean, Stip.

I know you know how to take indirect points and apply them to direct questions. Don't be pedantic and move on.

It's Vader.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Not so sure he's incapable of flight. Why couldn't one just force-lift their own body?

because that's stupid.

stip wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Not so sure he's incapable of flight. Why couldn't one just force-lift their own body?

because that's stupid.

stip wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Not so sure he's incapable of flight. Why couldn't one just force-lift their own body?

because that's stupid.

Dude, if I had force powers, that's all I would ever fucking do.

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

stip wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Not so sure he's incapable of flight. Why couldn't one just force-lift their own body?

because that's stupid.

Dude, if I had force powers, that's all I would ever fucking do.

I'd grab stuff from the fridge without leaving the couch a lot, too, though.

durdencommatyler wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

stip wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Not so sure he's incapable of flight. Why couldn't one just force-lift their own body?

because that's stupid.

Dude, if I had force powers, that's all I would ever fucking do.

I'd grab stuff from the fridge without leaving the couch a lot, too, though.

I'd fuck with the dog.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:

stip wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Not so sure he's incapable of flight. Why couldn't one just force-lift their own body?

because that's stupid.

Dude, if I had force powers, that's all I would ever fucking do.

I'd grab stuff from the fridge without leaving the couch a lot, too, though.

I'd fuck with the dog.

I'd buy a boat.

stip wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Not so sure he's incapable of flight. Why couldn't one just force-lift their own body?

because that's stupid.

That's why you always fail Stip.

Pretty sure yoda was doing some flying in that battle with dooku

durdencommatyler wrote:

stip wrote:

LoathedVermin72 wrote:Not so sure he's incapable of flight. Why couldn't one just force-lift their own body?

because that's stupid.

i recall vader doing a quick force jump in one of the movies too, which addresses the quickness as well as the flying.

what we haven't touched on much is vader's ability to control minds. i mean, smaug was sorta outsmarted by a fucking hobbit, so i'm sure vader could have his way with him.

anyone who says smaug is a fucking retard

cutuphalfdead wrote:anyone who says smaug is a fucking retard

We have overlooked one important advantage Smaug would have: