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Re: Round 1F: Hard to Imagine vs. Johnny Guitar vs. Cready S

Posted: Thu February 11, 2016 9:14 pm
by PHATJ
Leatherhead wrote:These PRAMG Top 10's need more World Wide Suicide.
Oh fuck no!

Re: Round 1F: Hard to Imagine vs. Johnny Guitar vs. Cready S

Posted: Thu February 11, 2016 9:15 pm
by chewm
Leatherhead wrote:These PRAMG Top 10's need more World Wide Suicide.
Seriously.

Re: Round 1F: Hard to Imagine vs. Johnny Guitar vs. Cready S

Posted: Thu February 11, 2016 9:52 pm
by LetMeSleep
Team Spenno for next album producer.

Johnny Guitar is the winner here for me.

And my top 10.

Marker
Parachutes
Army Reserve
Big Wave
Unemployable
Cold Confession
Let It Ride
Johnny Guitar
The Fixer

I'll leave it at nine.

Re: Round 1F: Hard to Imagine vs. Johnny Guitar vs. Cready S

Posted: Thu February 11, 2016 10:02 pm
by stip
Strat wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
Leatherhead wrote:These PRAMG Top 10's need more World Wide Suicide.
It would definitely make my PRAMG Bottom 10.

I think the only way I'd be satisfied with a new Pearl Jam record is if Matt, Jeff and Stone wrote the whole thing.

Mike is only allowed to contribute to songwriting in collaboration with one of the aforementioned band members (eg. Comatose by Mike and Stone, Unemployable by Matt and Mike).

Eddie is perhaps allowed to write one or two songs but I'd need to vet them first. If he pulls out an acoustic guitar, do not pass GO, do not collect $200, place these songs directly in the file marked "next EV solo album".
lol. Spenno is spot on with this. I full support.
Which songs has Eddie written from the last three records?

Re: Round 1F: Hard to Imagine vs. Johnny Guitar vs. Cready S

Posted: Thu February 11, 2016 10:02 pm
by stip
chewm wrote:
Leatherhead wrote:These Pearl Jam Top 10's need more World Wide Suicide.
Seriously.
*fixed

Re: Round 1F: Hard to Imagine vs. Johnny Guitar vs. Cready S

Posted: Thu February 11, 2016 10:07 pm
by LetMeSleep
stip wrote:
Strat wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
Leatherhead wrote:These PRAMG Top 10's need more World Wide Suicide.
It would definitely make my PRAMG Bottom 10.

I think the only way I'd be satisfied with a new Pearl Jam record is if Matt, Jeff and Stone wrote the whole thing.

Mike is only allowed to contribute to songwriting in collaboration with one of the aforementioned band members (eg. Comatose by Mike and Stone, Unemployable by Matt and Mike).

Eddie is perhaps allowed to write one or two songs but I'd need to vet them first. If he pulls out an acoustic guitar, do not pass GO, do not collect $200, place these songs directly in the file marked "next EV solo album".
lol. Spenno is spot on with this. I full support.
Which songs has Eddie written from the last three records?
I started but I don't care enough. It would make an awful record.

Re: Round 1F: Hard to Imagine vs. Johnny Guitar vs. Cready S

Posted: Thu February 11, 2016 10:11 pm
by Strat
LetMeSleep wrote:
stip wrote:
Strat wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
Leatherhead wrote:These PRAMG Top 10's need more World Wide Suicide.
It would definitely make my PRAMG Bottom 10.

I think the only way I'd be satisfied with a new Pearl Jam record is if Matt, Jeff and Stone wrote the whole thing.

Mike is only allowed to contribute to songwriting in collaboration with one of the aforementioned band members (eg. Comatose by Mike and Stone, Unemployable by Matt and Mike).

Eddie is perhaps allowed to write one or two songs but I'd need to vet them first. If he pulls out an acoustic guitar, do not pass GO, do not collect $200, place these songs directly in the file marked "next EV solo album".
lol. Spenno is spot on with this. I full support.
Which songs has Eddie written from the last three records?
I started but I don't care enough. It would make an awful record.
WWS
Severed Hand
Gone
Come Back
Gonna see my friends
Unthought known
Just Breathe
The End
Getaway (?)
Lightning Bolt
Swallowed Whole
SBM
Future Days


Some great songs but i could definitely take a break from Ed Ved Pj songs. Unless he goes back to challenging himself a bit more

Re: Round 1F: Hard to Imagine vs. Johnny Guitar vs. Cready S

Posted: Thu February 11, 2016 10:11 pm
by Birds in Hell
stip wrote:
Strat wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
Leatherhead wrote:These PRAMG Top 10's need more World Wide Suicide.
It would definitely make my PRAMG Bottom 10.

I think the only way I'd be satisfied with a new Pearl Jam record is if Matt, Jeff and Stone wrote the whole thing.

Mike is only allowed to contribute to songwriting in collaboration with one of the aforementioned band members (eg. Comatose by Mike and Stone, Unemployable by Matt and Mike).

Eddie is perhaps allowed to write one or two songs but I'd need to vet them first. If he pulls out an acoustic guitar, do not pass GO, do not collect $200, place these songs directly in the file marked "next EV solo album".
lol. Spenno is spot on with this. I full support.
Which songs has Eddie written from the last three records?
World Wide Suicide
Severed Hand
Gone

Gonna See My Friend
Just Breathe
Unthought Known
Speed of Sound
The End

Getaway
Lightning Bolt
Swallowed Whole
Sleeping By Myself
Future Days

No wonder I don't like the last two records very much, Vedder wrote about half of each of them single-handedly.

Re: Round 1F: Hard to Imagine vs. Johnny Guitar vs. Cready S

Posted: Thu February 11, 2016 10:13 pm
by Birds in Hell
Strat wrote: Come Back
Mike wrote this one.

It might be McCready/Vedder, but it was Mike's thing primarily I think.

Re: Round 1F: Hard to Imagine vs. Johnny Guitar vs. Cready S

Posted: Thu February 11, 2016 10:14 pm
by Strat
Birds in Hell wrote:
Strat wrote: Come Back
Mike wrote this one.

It might be McCready/Vedder, but it was Mike's thing primarily I think.
COME BACK
Released: May 02, 2006
COMPOSER: Eddie Vedder
ARTIST: Pearl Jam

Re: Round 1F: Hard to Imagine vs. Johnny Guitar vs. Cready S

Posted: Thu February 11, 2016 10:15 pm
by Birds in Hell
Strat wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
Strat wrote: Come Back
Mike wrote this one.

It might be McCready/Vedder, but it was Mike's thing primarily I think.
COME BACK
Released: May 02, 2006
COMPOSER: Eddie Vedder
ARTIST: Pearl Jam
'Fraid not.

Who do you trust? PearlJam.com or your ol' pal Birds in Hell?

Re: Round 1F: Hard to Imagine vs. Johnny Guitar vs. Cready S

Posted: Thu February 11, 2016 10:16 pm
by Strat
In any case....

I love most of Vedder's compositions and I dont think Stone has been very strong in his offerings lately either but I would be fine with Cameron/Ament constructing tunes.

They all need a kick in the ass really.

Re: Round 1F: Hard to Imagine vs. Johnny Guitar vs. Cready S

Posted: Thu February 11, 2016 10:17 pm
by Strat
Birds in Hell wrote:
Strat wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
Strat wrote: Come Back
Mike wrote this one.

It might be McCready/Vedder, but it was Mike's thing primarily I think.
COME BACK
Released: May 02, 2006
COMPOSER: Eddie Vedder
ARTIST: Pearl Jam
'Fraid not.

Who do you trust? PearlJam.com or your ol' pal Birds in Hell?
Come Back does not seem like a song a lead guitarist would write and I am damn near positive that is all Vedder. There would be no reason for Mike to write that on guitar without a melody and idea. Ive always been under the impression that was a vedder track.

Re: Round 1F: Hard to Imagine vs. Johnny Guitar vs. Cready S

Posted: Thu February 11, 2016 10:20 pm
by Birds in Hell
I would happily excise all of the above songs from their respective albums bar Gonna See My Friend.

He doesn't write songs that provide any space for the band to add anything essential, they're solo songs with Pearl Jam playing support (or in some cases, with the acoustic tracks, not appearing at all).

Re: Round 1F: Hard to Imagine vs. Johnny Guitar vs. Cready S

Posted: Thu February 11, 2016 10:21 pm
by Strat
Birds in Hell wrote:I would happily excise all of the above songs from their respective albums bar Gonna See My Friend.

He doesn't write songs that provide any space for the band to add anything essential, they're solo songs with Pearl Jam playing support (or in some cases, with the acoustic tracks, not appearing at all).
I also dont think the bad puts that much effort into adding to his songs. Or anyones for that matter.

Remember Man of the hour? They sure did a wonderful job with that.

Re: Round 1F: Hard to Imagine vs. Johnny Guitar vs. Cready S

Posted: Thu February 11, 2016 10:23 pm
by Birds in Hell
Strat wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
Strat wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:
Strat wrote: Come Back
Mike wrote this one.

It might be McCready/Vedder, but it was Mike's thing primarily I think.
COME BACK
Released: May 02, 2006
COMPOSER: Eddie Vedder
ARTIST: Pearl Jam
'Fraid not.

Who do you trust? PearlJam.com or your ol' pal Birds in Hell?
Come Back does not seem like a song a lead guitarist would write and I am damn near positive that is all Vedder. There would be no reason for Mike to write that on guitar without a melody and idea. Ive always been under the impression that was a vedder track.
I will happily retract if I'm wrong but I'm certain I'm right.

Wikipedia gives the writing credit to "McCready/Vedder", as do the album credits from memory (I don't have it here to check).

My hunch is that Mike was the primary writer and Vedder chipped in some ideas once the song began taking shape.

Re: Round 1F: Hard to Imagine vs. Johnny Guitar vs. Cready S

Posted: Thu February 11, 2016 10:28 pm
by Birds in Hell
Strat wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:I would happily excise all of the above songs from their respective albums bar Gonna See My Friend.

He doesn't write songs that provide any space for the band to add anything essential, they're solo songs with Pearl Jam playing support (or in some cases, with the acoustic tracks, not appearing at all).
I also dont think the bad puts that much effort into adding to his songs. Or anyones for that matter.
That's a neat way to wrap up that idea but I don't think it rings true. I still hear plenty of effort on the last few records, it's just largely expended on songs that aren't particularly strong.
Strat wrote:Remember Man of the hour? They sure did a wonderful job with that.
They did but it's the exception that proves the rule.

Re: Round 1F: Hard to Imagine vs. Johnny Guitar vs. Cready S

Posted: Thu February 11, 2016 10:35 pm
by Strat
Birds in Hell wrote:
Strat wrote:
Birds in Hell wrote:I would happily excise all of the above songs from their respective albums bar Gonna See My Friend.

He doesn't write songs that provide any space for the band to add anything essential, they're solo songs with Pearl Jam playing support (or in some cases, with the acoustic tracks, not appearing at all).
I also dont think the bad puts that much effort into adding to his songs. Or anyones for that matter.
That's a neat way to wrap up that idea but I don't think it rings true. I still hear plenty of effort on the last few records, it's just largely expended on songs that aren't particularly strong.
Strat wrote:Remember Man of the hour? They sure did a wonderful job with that.
They did but it's the exception that proves the rule.
I'm not disagreeing with you.

Re: Round 1F: Hard to Imagine vs. Johnny Guitar vs. Cready S

Posted: Thu February 11, 2016 10:47 pm
by stip
I thought stone wrote come back.



Other than WWS, GSMF, and Lightning Bolt (which musically is just aces) it's not a great group, I believe. But as was said, the problem is that the rest of the band isn't adding much into it. Would Getaway be that much harder to flesh out than, say RVM?

Re: Round 1F: Hard to Imagine vs. Johnny Guitar vs. Cready S

Posted: Thu February 11, 2016 10:55 pm
by Birds in Hell
stip wrote:Would Getaway be that much harder to flesh out than, say RVM?
I think RVM works better largely because it's a stronger base musical idea but Jeff's bassline alone on Getaway places it above most of the rest of that list.