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Re: RIP Antonin Scalia
Posted: Sun February 14, 2016 11:24 pm
by Simple Torture
How likely is it that the Senate is going to pass to the Dems? I've barely seen any coverage of it, since it's a presidential year and not a mid-term.
Re: RIP Antonin Scalia
Posted: Sun February 14, 2016 11:40 pm
by Green Habit
Simple Torture wrote:How likely is it that the Senate is going to pass to the Dems? I've barely seen any coverage of it, since it's a presidential year and not a mid-term.
Dems need to flip four seats. IL, WI, and PA are three they should be expected to get if they do well, OH or NH may be their best shot at the fourth. Of their own seats, maybe only NV is in play with Harry Reid retiring.
The only way I could see that scenario from happening is if Trump wins, but his fans only care about him and not downballot Republicans, and if enough anti-Trump Republicans are so disgusted by him that they stay home.
Re: RIP Antonin Scalia
Posted: Mon February 15, 2016 1:09 am
by B
McConnell wrote:“The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new President.”
Kinda hard not to be annoyed by that wording given that Americans voted for Obama twice.
Re: RIP Antonin Scalia
Posted: Mon February 15, 2016 1:20 am
by Green Habit
B wrote:McConnell wrote:“The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new President.”
Kinda hard not to be annoyed by that wording given that Americans voted for Obama twice.
That's the dichotomy of the American system of government. The counterargument to Americans voting in Obama is that they also voted in a Republican majority into the Senate. And let's face it: if there was a GOP president and Dem Senate the roles would be completely reversed.
Re: RIP Antonin Scalia
Posted: Mon February 15, 2016 1:22 am
by Norah
checks gonna check, balances gonna balance
Re: RIP Antonin Scalia
Posted: Mon February 15, 2016 1:24 am
by B
Green Habit wrote:B wrote:McConnell wrote:“The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new President.”
Kinda hard not to be annoyed by that wording given that Americans voted for Obama twice.
That's the dichotomy of the American system of government. The counterargument to Americans voting in Obama is that they also voted in a Republican majority into the Senate. And let's face it: if there was a GOP president and Dem Senate the roles would be completely reversed.
I don't agree. I think most Democrats, at least the most powerful ones, would hold their tongues and see who was nominated. There was never this much talk about "we must stop everything Bush does." Democrats fought against the ideas and the actions, not the person.
Re: RIP Antonin Scalia
Posted: Mon February 15, 2016 1:27 am
by nyquillyn
B wrote:Green Habit wrote:B wrote:McConnell wrote:“The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new President.”
Kinda hard not to be annoyed by that wording given that Americans voted for Obama twice.
That's the dichotomy of the American system of government. The counterargument to Americans voting in Obama is that they also voted in a Republican majority into the Senate. And let's face it: if there was a GOP president and Dem Senate the roles would be completely reversed.
I don't agree. I think most Democrats, at least the most powerful ones, would hold their tongues and see who was nominated.
There was never this much talk about "we must stop everything Bush does." Democrats fought against the ideas and the actions, not the person.
LOL. What?!
Re: RIP Antonin Scalia
Posted: Mon February 15, 2016 4:09 am
by 96583UP
Lame-Duck Obama's Supreme Court Appointee and F You All I Am Outta Here Short-List
1. Ralph Nader
2. "Kit", the hyper-liberal Thai tranny twink bartender he met on his malaysian bender
3. Bernie Sanders
4. Kareem Abdul Jabar
5. Roger Clinton Jr.
Re: RIP Antonin Scalia
Posted: Mon February 15, 2016 5:30 am
by simple schoolboy
Am I mistaken in my impression that Scalia, for all his good, was pretty terrible when it came to the fourth amendment?
Re: RIP Antonin Scalia
Posted: Mon February 15, 2016 1:50 pm
by B
96583UP wrote:3. Bernie Sanders
He's making his pitch.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... ANz15lbuYr
BERNIE SANDERS: I just don't think it looks good that for very,overty political reasons, the Republicans would deny this president the right to excersize his Consttituional responsibility... I don't think the public will look kindly on Republican efforts to try to thwart what he is supposed to be able to do.
Re: RIP Antonin Scalia
Posted: Mon February 15, 2016 2:21 pm
by Mine
B wrote:96583UP wrote:3. Bernie Sanders
He's making his pitch.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... ANz15lbuYr
BERNIE SANDERS: I just don't think it looks good that for very,overty political reasons, the Republicans would deny this president the right to excersize his Consttituional responsibility... I don't think the public will look kindly on Republican efforts to try to thwart what he is supposed to be able to do.
Not the part of the public who's votes the Republicans aim at.
Re: RIP Antonin Scalia
Posted: Mon February 15, 2016 3:07 pm
by stip
turned2black wrote:B wrote:Green Habit wrote:B wrote:McConnell wrote:“The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new President.”
Kinda hard not to be annoyed by that wording given that Americans voted for Obama twice.
That's the dichotomy of the American system of government. The counterargument to Americans voting in Obama is that they also voted in a Republican majority into the Senate. And let's face it: if there was a GOP president and Dem Senate the roles would be completely reversed.
I don't agree. I think most Democrats, at least the most powerful ones, would hold their tongues and see who was nominated.
There was never this much talk about "we must stop everything Bush does." Democrats fought against the ideas and the actions, not the person.
LOL. What?!
that was not well phrased, but the level of obstruction Republicans had for Obama vastly eclipses what democrats did with Bush. This makes sense, given the ideology.
Re: RIP Antonin Scalia
Posted: Mon February 15, 2016 3:43 pm
by B
Re: RIP Antonin Scalia
Posted: Mon February 15, 2016 4:45 pm
by Green Habit
simple schoolboy wrote:Am I mistaken in my impression that Scalia, for all his good, was pretty terrible when it came to the fourth amendment?
I'd say he was a mixed bag on the Fourth Amendment. I don't think he particularly liked and was as passionate about it as he was other parts of the Constitution.
Re: RIP Antonin Scalia
Posted: Mon February 15, 2016 5:44 pm
by Chris_H_2
stip wrote:turned2black wrote:B wrote:Green Habit wrote:B wrote:McConnell wrote:“The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new President.”
Kinda hard not to be annoyed by that wording given that Americans voted for Obama twice.
That's the dichotomy of the American system of government. The counterargument to Americans voting in Obama is that they also voted in a Republican majority into the Senate. And let's face it: if there was a GOP president and Dem Senate the roles would be completely reversed.
I don't agree. I think most Democrats, at least the most powerful ones, would hold their tongues and see who was nominated.
There was never this much talk about "we must stop everything Bush does." Democrats fought against the ideas and the actions, not the person.
LOL. What?!
that was not well phrased, but the level of obstruction Republicans had for Obama vastly eclipses what democrats did with Bush. This makes sense, given the ideology.
c'mon. it was the democrats that turned this entire process into an ideological litmus test to begin with. dick durbin's "because i disagree with this candidate on issue X this candidate is an unqualified political ideologue" came up both times with roberts and alito, despite their spotless pedigrees. it used to be whether the candidate was qualified, regardless of positions on certain topics. now, the candidate is put before congress and essentially made to testify about his or her personal beliefs on issues. it's a joke.
Re: RIP Antonin Scalia
Posted: Mon February 15, 2016 5:52 pm
by digster
B wrote:Green Habit wrote:B wrote:McConnell wrote:“The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new President.”
Kinda hard not to be annoyed by that wording given that Americans voted for Obama twice.
That's the dichotomy of the American system of government. The counterargument to Americans voting in Obama is that they also voted in a Republican majority into the Senate. And let's face it: if there was a GOP president and Dem Senate the roles would be completely reversed.
I don't agree. I think most Democrats, at least the most powerful ones, would hold their tongues and see who was nominated. There was never this much talk about "we must stop everything Bush does." Democrats fought against the ideas and the actions, not the person.
I mean, regardless, it doesn't really matter. Personally, I don't doubt that if the roles were reversed the positions would be as well, but it's irrelevant. It's the GOP's shitty luck that this happened while Obama was president, but that doesn't change anything. Barring the partisan considerations, there's no reason there shouldn't be a confirmation process.
Re: RIP Antonin Scalia
Posted: Mon February 15, 2016 5:56 pm
by The Argonaut
The first really politicized confirmation hearing was probably Biden v. Bork a year before the 1988 election. Then the Clarence Thomas/Anita Hill hoopla a few years later doubled down on it.
Re: RIP Antonin Scalia
Posted: Mon February 15, 2016 6:54 pm
by stip
Chris_H_2 wrote:stip wrote:turned2black wrote:B wrote:Green Habit wrote:B wrote:McConnell wrote:“The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new President.”
Kinda hard not to be annoyed by that wording given that Americans voted for Obama twice.
That's the dichotomy of the American system of government. The counterargument to Americans voting in Obama is that they also voted in a Republican majority into the Senate. And let's face it: if there was a GOP president and Dem Senate the roles would be completely reversed.
I don't agree. I think most Democrats, at least the most powerful ones, would hold their tongues and see who was nominated.
There was never this much talk about "we must stop everything Bush does." Democrats fought against the ideas and the actions, not the person.
LOL. What?!
that was not well phrased, but the level of obstruction Republicans had for Obama vastly eclipses what democrats did with Bush. This makes sense, given the ideology.
c'mon. it was the democrats that turned this entire process into an ideological litmus test to begin with. dick durbin's "because i disagree with this candidate on issue X this candidate is an unqualified political ideologue" came up both times with roberts and alito, despite their spotless pedigrees. it used to be whether the candidate was qualified, regardless of positions on certain topics. now, the candidate is put before congress and essentially made to testify about his or her personal beliefs on issues. it's a joke.
im not saying one side is innocent, just that the level of and commitment to obstruction is significantly higher on the R side. and some of that is due to ideology - Dems are more likely to compromise to get something - even if it is just a basic level of functionality
Re: RIP Antonin Scalia
Posted: Mon February 15, 2016 7:49 pm
by Green Habit
stip wrote:im not saying one side is innocent, just that the level of and commitment to obstruction is significantly higher on the R side. and some of that is due to ideology - Dems are more likely to compromise to get something - even if it is just a basic level of functionality
If Ginsburg died in Febraury 2008 and you were a Democratic senator at that time, what do you do?
Re: RIP Antonin Scalia
Posted: Mon February 15, 2016 8:03 pm
by B
Green Habit wrote:stip wrote:im not saying one side is innocent, just that the level of and commitment to obstruction is significantly higher on the R side. and some of that is due to ideology - Dems are more likely to compromise to get something - even if it is just a basic level of functionality
If Ginsburg died in Febraury 2008 and you were a Democratic senator at that time, what do you do?
Be sad. Say, "I hope Bush nominates a candidate that we can confirm quickly so we don't drag this process out." Might not be what you're thinking, but it's what you say.
