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Re: Sharing Cinematic Values #5: VinylGuy
Posted: Thu August 25, 2016 4:09 pm
by LoathedVermin72
Also, I think it's best to start at the beginning with Kael: I Lost It at the Movies.
Re: Sharing Cinematic Values #5: VinylGuy
Posted: Thu August 25, 2016 4:11 pm
by epilogue
LoathedVermin72 wrote:Also, I think it's best to start at the beginning with Kael: I Lost It at the Movies.
Thank you. I've added it to my list. I've been wanting some good nonfiction.
Re: Sharing Cinematic Values #5: VinylGuy
Posted: Thu August 25, 2016 4:20 pm
by VinylGuy
durdencommatyler wrote:Fuck yes, TVG! Lisey's Story is a breathtaking novel.
Its such a complex love story. I love it.
durdencommatyler wrote:Did you just say David Lynch is gone? He's about to revolutionize tv FOR THE SECOND TIME, MAN!
That kind of filmmaker...not him specially. And him going back to tv doesnt really count because he did tv when it wasnt ¨the thing to do¨.
Re: Sharing Cinematic Values #5: VinylGuy
Posted: Thu August 25, 2016 4:20 pm
by Norah
Joey, why do you keep calling him TVG?
Re: Sharing Cinematic Values #5: VinylGuy
Posted: Thu August 25, 2016 4:24 pm
by epilogue
cutuphalfdead wrote:Joey, why do you keep calling him TVG?
http://forums.theskyiscrape.com/viewtop ... uy#p782197
Re: Sharing Cinematic Values #5: VinylGuy
Posted: Thu August 25, 2016 4:26 pm
by VinylGuy
durdencommatyler wrote:Well right but The Daily Show and shows like it aren't trying to change anyone's mind. They're just entertainment. I know you hate that and I agree that comedy can be and satire maybe should strive for more. Yeah, I get it. But sometimes people just want to laugh and nod. And that's why The Daily Show exists. And that's okay.
Im not sure they see themselves as that. I have the idea they really think they are taking a chance with what they do. Is weird...at this point those shows seem so formulaic to me, so shallow. Its a Rolling Stone cover.
Re: Sharing Cinematic Values #5: VinylGuy
Posted: Thu August 25, 2016 4:28 pm
by epilogue
VinylGuy wrote:durdencommatyler wrote:Well right but The Daily Show and shows like it aren't trying to change anyone's mind. They're just entertainment. I know you hate that and I agree that comedy can be and satire maybe should strive for more. Yeah, I get it. But sometimes people just want to laugh and nod. And that's why The Daily Show exists. And that's okay.
Im not sure they see themselves as that. I have the idea they really think they are taking a chance with what they do. Is weird...at this point those shows seem so formulaic to me, so shallow. Its a Rolling Stone cover.
I can't speak for the current staff but Jon Stewart said over and over again that they were just a dopey comedy show and not a political news show and not out to do anything but make people laugh. Perhaps that's changed with the new regime but I doubt it.
Re: Sharing Cinematic Values #5: VinylGuy
Posted: Thu August 25, 2016 4:28 pm
by Norah
Re: Sharing Cinematic Values #5: VinylGuy
Posted: Thu August 25, 2016 4:29 pm
by epilogue
cutuphalfdead wrote:
I don't read posts.
Re: Sharing Cinematic Values #5: VinylGuy
Posted: Thu August 25, 2016 4:29 pm
by epilogue
That's probably the best way to handle RM, Pete.
Re: Sharing Cinematic Values #5: VinylGuy
Posted: Thu August 25, 2016 4:30 pm
by VinylGuy
durdencommatyler wrote:VinylGuy wrote:durdencommatyler wrote:Well right but The Daily Show and shows like it aren't trying to change anyone's mind. They're just entertainment. I know you hate that and I agree that comedy can be and satire maybe should strive for more. Yeah, I get it. But sometimes people just want to laugh and nod. And that's why The Daily Show exists. And that's okay.
Im not sure they see themselves as that. I have the idea they really think they are taking a chance with what they do. Is weird...at this point those shows seem so formulaic to me, so shallow. Its a Rolling Stone cover.
I can't speak for the current staff but Jon Stewart said over and over again that they were just a dopey comedy show and not a political news show and not out to do anything but make people laugh. Perhaps that's changed with the new regime but I doubt it.
Havent seen that. Maybe in his case thats ok. But all the other ones? Do you like them?
Re: Sharing Cinematic Values #5: VinylGuy
Posted: Thu August 25, 2016 4:35 pm
by epilogue
VinylGuy wrote:durdencommatyler wrote:VinylGuy wrote:durdencommatyler wrote:Well right but The Daily Show and shows like it aren't trying to change anyone's mind. They're just entertainment. I know you hate that and I agree that comedy can be and satire maybe should strive for more. Yeah, I get it. But sometimes people just want to laugh and nod. And that's why The Daily Show exists. And that's okay.
Im not sure they see themselves as that. I have the idea they really think they are taking a chance with what they do. Is weird...at this point those shows seem so formulaic to me, so shallow. Its a Rolling Stone cover.
I can't speak for the current staff but Jon Stewart said over and over again that they were just a dopey comedy show and not a political news show and not out to do anything but make people laugh. Perhaps that's changed with the new regime but I doubt it.
Havent seen that. Maybe in his case thats ok. But all the other ones? Do you like them?
I was never a big Colbert Report fan. I've watched a few segments of TDS since Trevor Noah took over. I like him, he's charming but he lacks the authority and command that Stewart had.
Samantha Bee is great. I really enjoy Full Frontal. But that's about it really.
Re: Sharing Cinematic Values #5: VinylGuy
Posted: Thu August 25, 2016 4:57 pm
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
Re: Sharing Cinematic Values #5: VinylGuy
Posted: Thu August 25, 2016 5:10 pm
by bada
I loved Samantha Bee on the Daily Show but she seems to try too hard to sell the joke on TBS. I find it annoying. I liked John Stewart and about half of what John Oliver does. I leave the rest.
Re: Sharing Cinematic Values #5: VinylGuy
Posted: Thu August 25, 2016 5:13 pm
by bada
Good segment LV & VG. Enjoyed it.
Re: Sharing Cinematic Values #5: VinylGuy
Posted: Thu August 25, 2016 5:14 pm
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
Re: Sharing Cinematic Values #5: VinylGuy
Posted: Thu August 25, 2016 5:17 pm
by epilogue
I do like John Oliver, too. Again, I don't watch any of them religiously. I watched Stewart the most when he was on. And Samatha Bee second most.
Re: Sharing Cinematic Values #5: VinylGuy
Posted: Thu August 25, 2016 5:19 pm
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.
Re: Sharing Cinematic Values #5: VinylGuy
Posted: Thu August 25, 2016 5:28 pm
by Strat
tragabigzanda wrote:My problem with Oliver is that he isn't even remotely funny, but his long-form pieces are often quite insightful. I'd be way happier if he moved over to 60 Minutes and just played it straight.
Oh my god he cracks me up. his accent does it for me every time.
Re: Sharing Cinematic Values #5: VinylGuy
Posted: Thu August 25, 2016 5:31 pm
by tragabigzanda
Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.