Re: Hate Groups: White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, the Alt-Righ
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 6:30 pm
It reminds me of the FBI report awhile back that warned we all need to be aware that the KKK have/are infiltrating law enforcement agencies.
I get it. You might be conflating colonization and colonialism, but lets go with it anyway. A missionary would not be a colonizer since they usually don't use force. Likewise a situation like Iraq would not colonization either, since the Iraqi's ultimately get to choose their fate. Israeli settlements on Palestinian land would be colonization, something we probably agree on, and a very rare example in the modern because not only the size and scope of human in-habitation on Earth, but democracy and organized militaries. In the absence of overwhelming military might, like the Israelis have, if a group of people wanted to impose, through force, their ideology, government, and/or economic system on an existing governed land, say a democracy, how would they do that?tragabigzanda wrote:Off the top of my head: One who tries to impose, through force, their ideology, government, and/or economic system on a group of people from another country (or ungoverned territory).Bi_3 wrote:Yeah, it kinda does. What is a colonizer in your view?tragabigzanda wrote:Great for the colonizers, sucky for the colonized.Bi_3 wrote:What are your feelings on colonization?tragabigzanda wrote:I just don't understand why some people feel that their "native-by-birth, yet descendent of immigrants" position in a given country is somehow more righteous than "new immigrant" (did I state that question clearly?)
This discussion appears to consist of b_i "subtly" attempting to lead you into concluding that immigrants are in the process of slowly imposing sharia law on western culture, while you obliviously cite books that you misunderstood. There's nothing to be gained here.tragabigzanda wrote:Your insightful contributions to the discussion will be sorely missed.bart wrote:You posted a story about fast food on US military bases. And a shake shack link which, unless I'm missing it, doesn't list any locations in Afghanistan. And cited the fact that your wife interviewed with a company as a source of expertise. I think I'm done with this.
Close. I was trying to lead him to understand one perspective on why existing populations may consider themselves more entitled to the land that they are on than new immigrants are, but as a side bar yes, cultural change from immigration without integration is a real thing and one of the primary reasons such feelings exist. Demographics are destiny, after all.bart wrote:This discussion appears to consist of b_i "subtly" attempting to lead you into concluding that immigrants are in the process of slowly imposing sharia law on western culture, while you obliviously cite books that you misunderstood. There's nothing to be gained here.tragabigzanda wrote:Your insightful contributions to the discussion will be sorely missed.bart wrote:You posted a story about fast food on US military bases. And a shake shack link which, unless I'm missing it, doesn't list any locations in Afghanistan. And cited the fact that your wife interviewed with a company as a source of expertise. I think I'm done with this.
White supremacist converts to Islam — then kills neo-Nazi pals for disrespecting his new faith
white supremacist is being accused of fatally shooting his two neo-Nazi roommates after they objected to his decision to convert to Islam.
The Tampa Bay Times reports that 18-year-old Devon Arthurs is being accused by police of gunning down two of his roommates — 22-year-old Jeremy Himmelman and 18-year-old Andrew Oneschuk — after they attacked his newfound Muslim faith.
According to police, Arthurs was upset at Islamophobia and decided to murder his two roommates “to bring attention to his cause.” Prior to converting to Islam, Arthurs was a committed white supremacist, as were his two slain roommates.
Police say that, after killing his two roommates, Arthurs went into a nearby smoke shop in Tampa Palms, where he took three hostages and threatened to kill them. After police arrived on the scene, they convinced him to release the hostages and turn himself in.
“I had to do it,” he said, according to police. “This wouldn’t have had to happen if your country didn’t bomb my country.”
Police say that Arthurs also told them that his goal was not only to draw attention to American foreign policy in the Muslim world, but also to “take some of the neo-Nazis with him” as part of his murderous rampage.
The Tampa Bay Times writes that Arthurs faces “two counts of first-degree murder, two counts of aggravated assault and three counts of armed kidnapping.”