Red Mosquito

I just don't get why you're wasting so much of your time talking about it if it sucks so much.

Thejambi wrote:

Lounge Lizard wrote:

Thejambi wrote:Say 500 people voted it down. Are they casual fans? Hard core fans? Someone who doesn't know Pearl Jam? Are they 500 stips or 500 chuds? We will make up a mythological person as one who has a well respected, educated and generally sound opinion on the quality of music. What if all 500 of these people that have heard this song voted it down.

Of course it's inaccurate, but I'm not intending to undertake a full fledged investigation. I think LB is vastly inferior to MYM, and the people will vote accordingly. On Youtube, on charts, on wherever - it doesn't matter. Time will show if I was wrong or right in my assumption.

Any answer you get will be completely flawed and useless.

The only thing that matters is that the answer goes your way. It's like stip & metacritic all over again. Yes, I'm badmouthing the fucker while he's having a baby, I'm an asshole, I don't care.

Release_Me wrote:I just don't get why you're wasting so much of your time talking about it if it sucks so much.

I'm giving them the equal treatment. Good songs are overpraised already

bodysnatcher wrote:

Lounge Lizard wrote:

Heathen wrote:People always recognize the best song. In My Tree has 123,000 views.

People "vote" in many different ways

In My Tree: The hanging chad of Pearl Jam songs

bodysnatcher wrote:In My Tree: The hanging chad of Pearl Jam songs

Doesn't that technically make the whole catalog poop?

i dont get it, you dont like LB and The Fixer and MYM?

On a completely different note, i.e. actually related to LB 'the song', I am still hearing the last line as "all the problems, they will die with you."

Guess we'll have to wait for the official lyrics (if any) to confirm.

Release_Me wrote:On a completely different note, i.e. actually related to LB 'the song', I am still hearing the last line as "all the problems, they will die with you."

Guess we'll have to wait for the official lyrics (if any) to confirm.

Overachiever

VinylGuy wrote:i dont get it, you dont like LB and The Fixer and MYM?

I like MYM a lot

Lounge Lizard wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:i dont get it, you dont like LB and The Fixer and MYM?

I like MYM a lot

Me too.

Lounge Lizard wrote:

bodysnatcher wrote:In My Tree: The hanging chad of Pearl Jam songs

Doesn't that technically make the whole catalog poop?

You can't argue the objective data.

God, this argument.

I'm still digging this sing a lot. So there!

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:Im still excited to hear the studio LB, no matter what song it supposed to be like from past albums, i think its gonna be good.

And im also good with FD, I've said it before but, though it might not be the most exciting thing to hear from them, it sounds like a good song, and i think it will be much better on the album then it was live

Seriously, doc, go to the beach!

Weather hasn't been great today, but i did a few minutes of body surfing

I love it, unlike the other 2 songs (future days and mym, not the avocado outtakes needed time to grow on me) I didnt really like it at first, but after some listens I like it better than those 2
Really looking forward to listen to a studio version.
It also may sound a little backspacerish, but its was better than most of it.

Lounge Lizard wrote:As for my "earlier position", I suppose you are referring my statement that music can be bad and good in principle.
I stand by it.

You can definitely make certain objective observations about any musician's technical skill level (at some point the objectivity breaks down, but for extremes on either end there's a little truth to it), or about what a certain type of music inherently is. But there are too many technically proficient virtuosos who make terrible music--and likewise, too many technically inept bozos who make wonderful music--for the statement to serve any purpose beyond rote description.

In the end, all that really matters is what you think of the song. Good or bad. Who cares what the next guy thinks. Isn't the amazing thing about music is that it's completely objective. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder kind of deal. Two people standing side by side can hear the same song, same voice, same drums, same riffs, same whatever and have to complete opposite impressions of said song. One could think it "rocks" the other could think it "sucks". To me, that's pretty awesome and the power of music.

Whether you like LB or not is up to you and no one else. For me, I think it's growing on me. I like most of it except the Lighning Bolt course, it's nothing special except a fun song. This is all how I feel about it and that's all that matters to me and really shouldn't matter what my dumbass thinks. Ha.

Heathen wrote:

Thejambi wrote:

Lounge Lizard wrote:

Thejambi wrote:Say 500 people voted it down. Are they casual fans? Hard core fans? Someone who doesn't know Pearl Jam? Are they 500 stips or 500 chuds? We will make up a mythological person as one who has a well respected, educated and generally sound opinion on the quality of music. What if all 500 of these people that have heard this song voted it down.

Of course it's inaccurate, but I'm not intending to undertake a full fledged investigation. I think LB is vastly inferior to MYM, and the people will vote accordingly. On Youtube, on charts, on wherever - it doesn't matter. Time will show if I was wrong or right in my assumption.

Any answer you get will be completely flawed and useless.

The only thing that matters is that the answer goes your way. It's like stip & metacritic all over again. Yes, I'm badmouthing the fucker while he's having a baby, I'm an asshole, I don't care.

she started to cry while I read this hurtful post.

My metacritic point is different. I only argue that things like sales or formal critical reception are the best baramoters we have for how widespread somethings reception might be. They are still flawed through

It's different in method and flaws but the silliness of the whole thing is not different. You're taking two distinct subset of critics, turn their subjective opinion into a number that sometimes doesn't have anything to do with said opinion, and think it means anything to compare the results. It might be even worse than youtube views actually, because at least youtube views ARE youtube views, when Metacritic will sometimes make up ratings for reviews that don't have any.

So yeah, sure, you can always think it's some sort of barometer anyway but it's one that makes as much sense as the guy who sees the rapture in Lightning Bolt's artwork.

I love this song. Sorry guys!!!

My fav out of the lightning bolt/avacado b-sides.Can't wait to hear the studio version.
In love with the second verse. "always something never nothing.... " part of the song.
i can't get the melody of my head ATM.
That and the start mind your manners. That intro gets the blood pumping.

Look EVERYBODY has their own taste and is entitled to their own opinion. ..

BUT

BOTTOM MOFO LINE: THIS TRACK IS KILLER!

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