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Re: Running

Posted: Fri March 22, 2024 1:09 am
by stip
tragabigzanda wrote:Only now though
:lol:

Re: Running

Posted: Fri March 22, 2024 1:09 am
by Ms Harmless
tragabigzanda wrote:Only now though
you're usually oozing humility from every pore

Re: Running

Posted: Fri March 22, 2024 1:09 am
by Fattie_Vedder
Everyone get over yourselves. This song is really good and fun. Still a solid 3, maybe 3.5. I can see this being really fun in the car.

Stupid, baffling choice for a single. But still really fun. When I’m in the mood for this type of song, it will scratch that itch. Things I love about it:

1. Bass coming in hard in the left channel then the explosion in the right
2. The 2nd guitar accenting the first more loudly adds a really cool layer and gives the effect of the volume going up and down slightly. I enjoy the push and pull of that.
3. The relentless pace
4. The sudden halt of the bridge. That beautiful bridge. I want more of it.
5. The way Ed pronounces certain words. Some really good choices here.
6. The briefest pause after the bridge before kicking back into gear
7. Mikes ambulance siren like solo accentuates the back and forth and up and down volume effects in 2. All of it heightens the theme of the song of running frantically and going nowhere. Maybe running in circles.
8. The “fuck off” at the end

Re: Running

Posted: Fri March 22, 2024 1:10 am
by stip
tragabigzanda wrote:
stip wrote:Things I like and or love about Running before I go to bed.

-The bass and drums at the start. A real sausage of a beat.

-leading up to the first verse there's this really cool guitar stutter underneath the main punk line that I just picked up on now (headphones listen) - you can examples at 11 and 13

-I like the group shouting going into the chorus. They don't really have anything else like that I can think of offhand.

-I like the vocal melody Eddie has during the Tunnel/funnel sections

- I really like the 'cuz we left the fucking water running' moment

- and the guitar transition out of it, which is like what I was flagging earlier but more forward in the mix. It's actually more prevalent going into verse 2

-there's a cool grove to the rhythm guitar coming out of the first chorus as well.

-Really the inspirational grind of the bridge - the music especially. The 'reprieve not looking likely' is a good transition into the solo.

It's not Mike's best solo, but a Mike solo is almost always welcome news and it's got a playful swing to it, and there is a fun little taunting section at the end of it

Great Good vs Evil energy at the end. Don't know what the hell Ed is saying.

Good abrupt stop. I like how both this and dark matter don't so much end as they halt.
“Group shouting” are called “gang vocals” in the studio world, and they did it on SBWM — “I ask forgiveNESS,” etc
ill have to compare them. This felt like multiple people and sbwm always sounded like eddie just juicing the word

Re: Running

Posted: Fri March 22, 2024 1:13 am
by Fattie_Vedder
stip wrote:Things I like and or love about Running before I go to bed.

-The bass and drums at the start. A real sausage of a beat.

-leading up to the first verse there's this really cool guitar stutter underneath the main punk line that I just picked up on now (headphones listen) - you can examples at 11 and 13

-I like the group shouting going into the chorus. They don't really have anything else like that I can think of offhand.

-I like the vocal melody Eddie has during the Tunnel/funnel sections

- I really like the 'cuz we left the fucking water running' moment

- and the guitar transition out of it, which is like what I was flagging earlier but more forward in the mix. It's actually more prevalent going into verse 2

-there's a cool grove to the rhythm guitar coming out of the first chorus as well.

-Really the inspirational grind of the bridge - the music especially. The 'reprieve not looking likely' is a good transition into the solo.

It's not Mike's best solo, but a Mike solo is almost always welcome news and it's got a playful swing to it, and there is a fun little taunting section at the end of it

Great Good vs Evil energy at the end. Don't know what the hell Ed is saying.

Good abrupt stop. I like how both this and dark matter don't so much end as they halt.
Stip, could you for once NOT beat me to these posts please.

Re: Running

Posted: Fri March 22, 2024 1:14 am
by Ms Harmless
Fattie_Vedder wrote:Everyone get over yourselves. This song is really good and fun. Still a solid 3, maybe 3.5. I can see this being really fun in the car.

Stupid, baffling choice for a single. But still really fun. When I’m in the mood for this type of song, it will scratch that itch. Things I love about it:

1. Bass coming in hard in the left channel then the explosion in the right
2. The 2nd guitar accenting the first more loudly adds a really cool layer and gives the effect of the volume going up and down slightly. I enjoy the push and pull of that.
3. The relentless pace
4. The sudden halt of the bridge. That beautiful bridge. I want more of it.
5. The way Ed pronounces certain words. Some really good choices here.
6. The briefest pause after the bridge before kicking back into gear
7. Mikes ambulance siren like solo accentuates the back and forth and up and down volume effects in 2. All of it heightens the theme of the song of running frantically and going nowhere. Maybe running in circles.
8. The “fuck off” at the end
you get this

Re: Running

Posted: Fri March 22, 2024 1:15 am
by liebzz
What’s hard for me with this is that it’s much easier for me to hear these things in the context of an album. There are maybe 20 Pearl Jam songs that I hear alone and am astonished how much they are great standing alone, and many more for me that are great in the universe of the album they sit in. And even those I still enjoy even more in the context of the album they come from. I gave Running 3 stars but is it 4 stars within the context of the album? I guess I will know in 4 weeks but I am also reserving judgment on these things until I hear it all - more than once.

Re: Running

Posted: Fri March 22, 2024 1:16 am
by stip
Fattie_Vedder wrote:
stip wrote:Things I like and or love about Running before I go to bed.

-The bass and drums at the start. A real sausage of a beat.

-leading up to the first verse there's this really cool guitar stutter underneath the main punk line that I just picked up on now (headphones listen) - you can examples at 11 and 13

-I like the group shouting going into the chorus. They don't really have anything else like that I can think of offhand.

-I like the vocal melody Eddie has during the Tunnel/funnel sections

- I really like the 'cuz we left the fucking water running' moment

- and the guitar transition out of it, which is like what I was flagging earlier but more forward in the mix. It's actually more prevalent going into verse 2

-there's a cool grove to the rhythm guitar coming out of the first chorus as well.

-Really the inspirational grind of the bridge - the music especially. The 'reprieve not looking likely' is a good transition into the solo.

It's not Mike's best solo, but a Mike solo is almost always welcome news and it's got a playful swing to it, and there is a fun little taunting section at the end of it

Great Good vs Evil energy at the end. Don't know what the hell Ed is saying.

Good abrupt stop. I like how both this and dark matter don't so much end as they halt.
Stip, could you for once NOT beat me to these posts please.

your phrasing was better, though :)

Re: Running

Posted: Fri March 22, 2024 1:17 am
by Got Some
stip wrote:Running lyrics - working draft


Got me running
Got me running
but the race it never ends

You got me running
or else I'm done in

you got me coming as you're going
and the chase it never ends
I'll be running
'Til the second coming

contain us
contain us

lost in the tunnel
and the tunnel aint no fun now
I hope you know the shit your pushing

Continue
Continue (or potato. go with what your heart tells you)

Lost in the tunnel
And the tunnel ain't no fun
Now I'm lost in all the shit you're flushing

like the sewage in the plumbing
cuz we left the fucking water running

Control
Control

Lost in the tunnel
And the tunnel's getting funneled
Like the sewage in the plumbing
Cuz we left the fucking water running

Got me diving, got me diving
Got me deep
I get the bends
When I'm ??? (swimming)?
You're too late coming

Got me running
Got me running
But your race it never ends

I'm feeling done in
it's slightly stunning

Continue
Continue

Lost in the tunnel
And the tunnel ain't no fun
Now I'm lost in all the shit you're flushing
like the sewage in the plumbing
cuz we left the fucking water running


Not sure about the outro
https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/pearljam/running.html

These sounded pretty close stip

Re: Running

Posted: Fri March 22, 2024 1:19 am
by LetMeSleep
Birds in Hell wrote:First impressions not good.
Image

Re: Running

Posted: Fri March 22, 2024 1:20 am
by Strat
"Cause we left the fucking water running"

Is the best part of the song.

Re: Running

Posted: Fri March 22, 2024 1:22 am
by Ms Harmless
Got Some wrote:
stip wrote:Running lyrics - working draft


Got me running
Got me running
but the race it never ends

You got me running
or else I'm done in

you got me coming as you're going
and the chase it never ends
I'll be running
'Til the second coming

contain us
contain us

lost in the tunnel
and the tunnel aint no fun now
I hope you know the shit your pushing

Continue
Continue (or potato. go with what your heart tells you)

Lost in the tunnel
And the tunnel ain't no fun
Now I'm lost in all the shit you're flushing

like the sewage in the plumbing
cuz we left the fucking water running

Control
Control

Lost in the tunnel
And the tunnel's getting funneled
Like the sewage in the plumbing
Cuz we left the fucking water running

Got me diving, got me diving
Got me deep
I get the bends
When I'm ??? (swimming)?
You're too late coming

Got me running
Got me running
But your race it never ends

I'm feeling done in
it's slightly stunning

Continue
Continue

Lost in the tunnel
And the tunnel ain't no fun
Now I'm lost in all the shit you're flushing
like the sewage in the plumbing
cuz we left the fucking water running


Not sure about the outro
https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/pearljam/running.html

These sounded pretty close stip
I like these lyrics quite a bit, they're a cut above the usual dumb punk, and yet still consistent with the tone

Re: Running

Posted: Fri March 22, 2024 1:22 am
by Fattie_Vedder
stip wrote:
Fattie_Vedder wrote:
stip wrote:Things I like and or love about Running before I go to bed.

-The bass and drums at the start. A real sausage of a beat.

-leading up to the first verse there's this really cool guitar stutter underneath the main punk line that I just picked up on now (headphones listen) - you can examples at 11 and 13

-I like the group shouting going into the chorus. They don't really have anything else like that I can think of offhand.

-I like the vocal melody Eddie has during the Tunnel/funnel sections

- I really like the 'cuz we left the fucking water running' moment

- and the guitar transition out of it, which is like what I was flagging earlier but more forward in the mix. It's actually more prevalent going into verse 2

-there's a cool grove to the rhythm guitar coming out of the first chorus as well.

-Really the inspirational grind of the bridge - the music especially. The 'reprieve not looking likely' is a good transition into the solo.

It's not Mike's best solo, but a Mike solo is almost always welcome news and it's got a playful swing to it, and there is a fun little taunting section at the end of it

Great Good vs Evil energy at the end. Don't know what the hell Ed is saying.

Good abrupt stop. I like how both this and dark matter don't so much end as they halt.
Stip, could you for once NOT beat me to these posts please.

your phrasing was better, though :)
:o :heartbeat: I’m blushing

Re: Running

Posted: Fri March 22, 2024 1:26 am
by Fattie_Vedder
Fattie_Vedder wrote:Everyone get over yourselves. This song is really good and fun. Still a solid 3, maybe 3.5. I can see this being really fun in the car.

Stupid, baffling choice for a single. But still really fun. When I’m in the mood for this type of song, it will scratch that itch. Things I love about it:

1. Bass coming in hard in the left channel then the explosion in the right
2. The 2nd guitar accenting the first more loudly adds a really cool layer and gives the effect of the volume going up and down slightly. I enjoy the push and pull of that.
3. The relentless pace
4. The sudden halt of the bridge. That beautiful bridge. I want more of it.
5. The way Ed pronounces certain words. Some really good choices here.
6. The briefest pause after the bridge before kicking back into gear
7. Mikes ambulance siren like solo accentuates the back and forth and up and down volume effects in 2. All of it heightens the theme of the song of running frantically and going nowhere. Maybe running in circles.
8. The “fuck off” at the end
9. Jeff’s sliding bass in the bridge, right after the guitars pause. It touches my soul in the right place (my butt).
10. Mike hits a note in the solo at 2:03 precisely that is identical to the final highest note in the RVM solo. Theory: Watt told Mike “remember how you extended the string way up at the end of the RVM solo? Do that here”. That double time on the drums at the end also feels like RVM.

Re: Running

Posted: Fri March 22, 2024 1:29 am
by Ms Harmless
Fattie_Vedder wrote:
Fattie_Vedder wrote:Everyone get over yourselves. This song is really good and fun. Still a solid 3, maybe 3.5. I can see this being really fun in the car.

Stupid, baffling choice for a single. But still really fun. When I’m in the mood for this type of song, it will scratch that itch. Things I love about it:

1. Bass coming in hard in the left channel then the explosion in the right
2. The 2nd guitar accenting the first more loudly adds a really cool layer and gives the effect of the volume going up and down slightly. I enjoy the push and pull of that.
3. The relentless pace
4. The sudden halt of the bridge. That beautiful bridge. I want more of it.
5. The way Ed pronounces certain words. Some really good choices here.
6. The briefest pause after the bridge before kicking back into gear
7. Mikes ambulance siren like solo accentuates the back and forth and up and down volume effects in 2. All of it heightens the theme of the song of running frantically and going nowhere. Maybe running in circles.
8. The “fuck off” at the end
9. Jeff’s sliding bass in the bridge, right after the guitars pause. It touches my soul in the right place (my butt).
10. Mike hits a note in the solo at 2:03 precisely that is identical to the final highest note in the RVM solo. Theory: Watt told Mike “remember how you extended the string way up at the end of the RVM solo? Do that here”. That double time on the drums at the end also feels like RVM.
definitely does

Re: Running

Posted: Fri March 22, 2024 1:29 am
by BurtReynolds
I like it

Re: Running

Posted: Fri March 22, 2024 1:31 am
by Fattie_Vedder
Ms Harmless wrote:
Fattie_Vedder wrote:
Fattie_Vedder wrote:Everyone get over yourselves. This song is really good and fun. Still a solid 3, maybe 3.5. I can see this being really fun in the car.

Stupid, baffling choice for a single. But still really fun. When I’m in the mood for this type of song, it will scratch that itch. Things I love about it:

1. Bass coming in hard in the left channel then the explosion in the right
2. The 2nd guitar accenting the first more loudly adds a really cool layer and gives the effect of the volume going up and down slightly. I enjoy the push and pull of that.
3. The relentless pace
4. The sudden halt of the bridge. That beautiful bridge. I want more of it.
5. The way Ed pronounces certain words. Some really good choices here.
6. The briefest pause after the bridge before kicking back into gear
7. Mikes ambulance siren like solo accentuates the back and forth and up and down volume effects in 2. All of it heightens the theme of the song of running frantically and going nowhere. Maybe running in circles.
8. The “fuck off” at the end
9. Jeff’s sliding bass in the bridge, right after the guitars pause. It touches my soul in the right place (my butt).
10. Mike hits a note in the solo at 2:03 precisely that is identical to the final highest note in the RVM solo. Theory: Watt told Mike “remember how you extended the string way up at the end of the RVM solo? Do that here”. That double time on the drums at the end also feels like RVM.
definitely does
11. Love / Hate:

LOVE: Matt’s insane, repeated fills at the end
HATE: how neutered they sound

Re: Running

Posted: Fri March 22, 2024 1:34 am
by Ms Harmless
the success of this song vs. other examples of this type of song is so much about the enthusiasm in the performance imo; the band is going all in and selling this one

Re: Running

Posted: Fri March 22, 2024 1:39 am
by LetMeSleep
Man this is squashed so flat. Ears are ringing from one listen. Waveform is like a block of Lego.

Re: Running

Posted: Fri March 22, 2024 1:41 am
by LetMeSleep