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malice wrote:

Anders wrote:

malice wrote:I'll read the link but im not asking specifically about their origins either. Im looking for a simple statement on what their purpose is on the grand scheme of things in the setting of the kingdoms battling against one another and the whole of the world of men eventually battling the white walkers.

Bran travelled all the way up north to be with and then become the three eyed raven, and now that he is, or once he comes into full power, what will his purpose be. To assist men in defeating the white walkers? And if so, what does seeing into all of time do for them... To tell men this is how we did it last time? Jon's already mining obsidian to make weapons, and dany has dragons to burm them all to hell, right?

Their original purpose is to be the leader of the Children of the Forest. What he is doing in Winterfell or what impact Bran will have on the war, or what side (if any) he will choose, we don't know. We can guess that he is on the side of the humans, but no one can say for certain. Of course simply seeing it straight on from what has happened on the show, he has clearly fought against the Night King so far. However, some even speculate that he is the Night King.

that particular speculation seems like bunk to me. Bran as the night king has no basis in the show, and is a physical world impossibly. Hes both leading the army of tge dead as some future iteration of himself and learning to defeat , ummm himself?? as thw three eyed raven? Too much storyline has occurred already, how do they introduce this major revelation without it sounding completely out of left field within the context of the series? I say they can't

Anders wrote:

malice wrote:

Anders wrote:

malice wrote:I'll read the link but im not asking specifically about their origins either. Im looking for a simple statement on what their purpose is on the grand scheme of things in the setting of the kingdoms battling against one another and the whole of the world of men eventually battling the white walkers.

Bran travelled all the way up north to be with and then become the three eyed raven, and now that he is, or once he comes into full power, what will his purpose be. To assist men in defeating the white walkers? And if so, what does seeing into all of time do for them... To tell men this is how we did it last time? Jon's already mining obsidian to make weapons, and dany has dragons to burm them all to hell, right?

Their original purpose is to be the leader of the Children of the Forest. What he is doing in Winterfell or what impact Bran will have on the war, or what side (if any) he will choose, we don't know. We can guess that he is on the side of the humans, but no one can say for certain. Of course simply seeing it straight on from what has happened on the show, he has clearly fought against the Night King so far. However, some even speculate that he is the Night King.

that particular speculation seems like bunk to me. Bran as the night king has no basis in the show, and is a physical world impossibly. Hes both leading the army of tge dead as some future iteration of himself and learning to defeat , ummm himself?? as thw three eyed raven? Too much storyline has occurred already, how do they introduce this major revelation without it sounding completely out of left field within the context of the series? I say they can't

You're right. I don't believe it either. But his current self can probably warg into beings. And there is also talk of time travel and such things. Bran the Builder built Winterfell and The Wall, can he be the Bran we know?

jwfocker wrote:I think the show alluded to the possibility that the voices in the mad king's head (Aerys II) were Bran's in a attempt to warn him or to tell him about the White Walkers. It could be a red herring or a clue left by the writers to give us examples that illustrate the extreme measures Bran will eventually take to stop the White Walkers.

The whole burn them all line that was repeated by Aery's is similar to what happened to Hoder.

Just speculation but it's also part of what makes this show fun.

Monkey_Driven wrote:I'm thinking we get another flashback or two very soon. Bran has been hanging out by the tree for a couple of episodes now.

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Ned, Howland, and Jon going to Starfall.

Some vision of the end of the original Long Night.

Simple Torture wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:I'm thinking we get another flashback or two very soon. Bran has been hanging out by the tree for a couple of episodes now.

If it were going to be any more of Bran's visions, I'd pick either (one of these hasn't neen mentioned on the show yet):

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Ned, Howland, and Jon going to Starfall.

Some vision of the end of the original Long Night.

However, I doubt we get much of anything besides flashes. The show has used non-contemporary scenes so sparingly (just the wood witch scene with Cersei and Bran's visions) that I don't think they'll overdo it in the final ~9 episodes.

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A possible Rhaegar/Lyanna secret wedding.

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Jon is a legit heir? We've all talked so much about how Jon probably doesn't want to rule, doesn't want the Iron Throne, regardless of any official claim to it. So... what's the point? What does it actually change? If they show a secret wedding, what do we think the actual story implications will be? How will that knowledge play out in actual events moving forward? I agree with Burt that this thing

Spoiler: show

doesn't seem to be about one person's right to the throne and good vs evil in that tradional sense.
He's absolutely right that this isn't LotR. So maybe that's the point? Maybe if Jon has legitimacy he will take steps to dissolve the Iron Throne?

durdencommatyler wrote:What difference does it really make though whether or not

Spoiler: show

Jon is a legit heir? We've all talked so much about how Jon probably doesn't want to rule, doesn't want the Iron Throne, regardless of any official claim to it. So... what's the point? What does it actually change? If they show a secret wedding, what do we think the actual story implications will be? How will that knowledge play out in actual events moving forward? I agree with Burt that this thing

Spoiler: show

doesn't seem to be about one person's right to the throne and good vs evil in that tradional sense.
He's absolutely right that this isn't LotR. So maybe that's the point? Maybe if Jon has legitimacy he will take steps to dissolve the Iron Throne?

Spoiler: show

Perhaps it is in part because he doesn't want to rule, that he is so good at it. He always thinks of helping others. Even if he doesn't want it, he always end up being the leader. The story probably won't end up happy ever after though. GRRM was asked how the story would end, and he answered bittersweet. I also think he once said in ruins.

Anders wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:What difference does it really make though whether or not

Spoiler: show

Jon is a legit heir? We've all talked so much about how Jon probably doesn't want to rule, doesn't want the Iron Throne, regardless of any official claim to it. So... what's the point? What does it actually change? If they show a secret wedding, what do we think the actual story implications will be? How will that knowledge play out in actual events moving forward? I agree with Burt that this thing

Spoiler: show

doesn't seem to be about one person's right to the throne and good vs evil in that tradional sense.
He's absolutely right that this isn't LotR. So maybe that's the point? Maybe if Jon has legitimacy he will take steps to dissolve the Iron Throne?

Spoiler: show

Perhaps it is in part because he doesn't want to rule, that he is so good at it. He always thinks of helping others. Even if he doesn't want it, he always end up being the leader. The story probably won't end up happy ever after though. GRRM was asked how the story would end, and he answered bittersweet. I also think he once said in ruins.

Spoiler: show

I think "bittersweet" is probably the best possible ending. I love Jon Snow. But I really don't want him to be King of Westeros. That just feels so inappropriate to me. He seems destined for something far greater. But we'll see how it all plays out.

stip wrote:If Jon becomes King of Westeros he disbands the kingdom

durdencommatyler wrote:

stip wrote:If Jon becomes King of Westeros he disbands the kingdom

I agree. Which is sort of where I think this thing probably goes ultimately, actually. So maybe I should be all about Jon becoming King.

Mecca wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

stip wrote:If Jon becomes King of Westeros he disbands the kingdom

I agree. Which is sort of where I think this thing probably goes ultimately, actually. So maybe I should be all about Jon becoming King.

Jon becoming king is about as likely as chud agreeing with a deviation from the books

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how the white walkers populated themselves at first? i know based on what we saw last year the children of the forest (or whatever they're called) made the first one. but what about after that? are there females? do they have the sex?

also, what happened to the white walkers the last time they came about (I remember reading that they were basically frozen in ice or something) and how they came back? also, how many of them are there (by the show's count, they're down about 2-3 after being killed by sam and jon snow)? if crastor was giving them his boys, do they grow up just like humans (meaning, are there a bunch of 8 year old white walkers running around)?

Chris_H_2 wrote:speaking of white walkers, can someone explain

Spoiler: show

how the white walkers populated themselves at first? i know based on what we saw last year the children of the forest (or whatever they're called) made the first one. but what about after that? are there females? do they have the sex?

also, what happened to the white walkers the last time they came about (I remember reading that they were basically frozen in ice or something) and how they came back? also, how many of them are there (by the show's count, they're down about 2-3 after being killed by sam and jon snow)? if crastor was giving them his boys, do they grow up just like humans (meaning, are there a bunch of 8 year old white walkers running around)?

durdencommatyler wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:speaking of white walkers, can someone explain

Spoiler: show

how the white walkers populated themselves at first? i know based on what we saw last year the children of the forest (or whatever they're called) made the first one. but what about after that? are there females? do they have the sex?

also, what happened to the white walkers the last time they came about (I remember reading that they were basically frozen in ice or something) and how they came back? also, how many of them are there (by the show's count, they're down about 2-3 after being killed by sam and jon snow)? if crastor was giving them his boys, do they grow up just like humans (meaning, are there a bunch of 8 year old white walkers running around)?

I hope there's some big montage scene in the final season that shows Sam reading a shit ton of books and doing research that answers all of these questions in one sequence.

malice wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Chris_H_2 wrote:speaking of white walkers, can someone explain

Spoiler: show

how the white walkers populated themselves at first? i know based on what we saw last year the children of the forest (or whatever they're called) made the first one. but what about after that? are there females? do they have the sex?

also, what happened to the white walkers the last time they came about (I remember reading that they were basically frozen in ice or something) and how they came back? also, how many of them are there (by the show's count, they're down about 2-3 after being killed by sam and jon snow)? if crastor was giving them his boys, do they grow up just like humans (meaning, are there a bunch of 8 year old white walkers running around)?

I hope there's some big montage scene in the final season that shows Sam reading a shit ton of books and doing research that answers all of these questions in one sequence.

I was under the impression that the pile of disintegrating scrolls he has to copy over have all the info on white walkers he wanted in the first place at the citadel. And the grand meister was telling him he wasn't getting rewarded for saving jorah, but actually was...