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Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Tue April 09, 2024 8:26 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
Ms Harmless wrote:I thought Ruddo was talking about fish batter for a sec, I couldn't work it out
Best fish & chips I've ever had were in Canterbury. Mmm, fish and chips!

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Tue April 09, 2024 8:27 pm
by Monkey_Driven
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
RockPusher wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
RockPusher wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
Anders wrote:Think the best is yet to come.
We're running out of songs
Lol we've heard barely more than 10% of the album
When a batter is 0 for 3, there isn't much faith he'll have many hits later in the game!
While many here would argue that the batter has had at least 1 hit in those three at-bats, what you've described is not really how baseball works. Even Barry Bonds would have 0-3 moments. This is a small sample size problem. What I would say is, look at the career numbers, and look at recent seasons. Did you think that Gigaton (their last season) was good? Do you think that their overall career numbers are good? Finally, are you unwilling to look past their hideous uniforms (the production) to see what they are actually doing on the field?

(apologies for stretching this metaphor past its breaking point)
My dad is going to be really angry when he finds out I don't understand how baseball works.
Now we know why you keep getting invited back to that fantasy baseball league.

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Tue April 09, 2024 8:27 pm
by Ms Harmless
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:I thought Ruddo was talking about fish batter for a sec, I couldn't work it out
Best fish & chips I've ever had were in Canterbury. Mmm, fish and chips!
might have one on Dark Matter night... DARK BATTER!!

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Tue April 09, 2024 8:29 pm
by tommy
Monkey_Driven wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:I'm still hopeful there will be 4-5 good to great songs and enough live performances to elevate some of the lesser and/or poorly produced tracks.
is there a "hang in there" cat poster in your home? please be honest.
No, cats are dumb.

Wtf

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Tue April 09, 2024 8:30 pm
by RockPusher
Ms Harmless wrote:it really sounds to me like you prize production over and above what the band actually did
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Tue April 09, 2024 8:30 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
Ms Harmless wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:I thought Ruddo was talking about fish batter for a sec, I couldn't work it out
Best fish & chips I've ever had were in Canterbury. Mmm, fish and chips!
might have one on Dark Matter night... DARK BATTER!!
:lol:

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Tue April 09, 2024 8:31 pm
by Leatherhead
I'm thinking Dark Matter marks the next era of Pearl Jam albums. Pearl Jam #4.

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Tue April 09, 2024 8:32 pm
by Leatherhead
tragabigzanda wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:it really sounds to me like you prize production over and above what the band actually did
part-and-parcel with, not over and above
Could have ended this all weeks ago.

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Tue April 09, 2024 8:34 pm
by Ms Harmless
Leatherhead wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Ms Harmless wrote:it really sounds to me like you prize production over and above what the band actually did
part-and-parcel with, not over and above
Could have ended this all weeks ago.
RIGHT?!

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Tue April 09, 2024 8:38 pm
by RockPusher
I think maybe a third of the music I listen to would meet trag's production threshold. I can't imagine not listening to 2/3 of the music I love simply because it could sound better in the hands of another producer, but different strokes...

My brother is a sound engineer. He hears things differently than me. He won't do live concert sound because he doesn't want to sacrifice an iota of hearing.

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Tue April 09, 2024 8:40 pm
by oneway23
RockPusher wrote:My brother is a sound engineer. He hears things differently than me. He won't do live concert sound because he doesn't want to sacrifice an iota of hearing.
What does your brother think of the production on the songs thus far?

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Tue April 09, 2024 8:43 pm
by VinylGuy
leak already goddamn

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Tue April 09, 2024 8:45 pm
by stip
oneway23 wrote:
RockPusher wrote:My brother is a sound engineer. He hears things differently than me. He won't do live concert sound because he doesn't want to sacrifice an iota of hearing.
What does your brother think of the production on the songs thus far?
I too would like to know this.

Riot Act is a great example of production elevating some fairly average songs

I stand by Lightning Bolt having a number of pretty great songs hamstrung by its production.

it's a spice in the mix, but of way lesser importance to me than the quality of the performance and the compositions.

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Tue April 09, 2024 8:47 pm
by RockPusher
oneway23 wrote:
RockPusher wrote:My brother is a sound engineer. He hears things differently than me. He won't do live concert sound because he doesn't want to sacrifice an iota of hearing.
What does your brother think of the production on the songs thus far?
He is a hipster. While he enjoyed the PJ show I took him to when he was like 14, I don't think they are on his radar and I'm not going to ask him to listen to it until I have the whole album in some kind of decent (for what it is) format.

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Tue April 09, 2024 8:48 pm
by VinylGuy
RockPusher wrote:
oneway23 wrote:
RockPusher wrote:My brother is a sound engineer. He hears things differently than me. He won't do live concert sound because he doesn't want to sacrifice an iota of hearing.
What does your brother think of the production on the songs thus far?
He is a hipster. While he enjoyed the PJ show I took him to when he was like 14, I don't think they are on his radar and I'm not going to ask him to listen to it until I have the whole album in some kind of decent (for what it is) format.
whats his opinion on Ice Spice´s fart song?

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Tue April 09, 2024 8:50 pm
by digster
stip wrote:
oneway23 wrote:
RockPusher wrote:My brother is a sound engineer. He hears things differently than me. He won't do live concert sound because he doesn't want to sacrifice an iota of hearing.
What does your brother think of the production on the songs thus far?
I too would like to know this.

Riot Act is a great example of production elevating some fairly average songs

I stand by Lightning Bolt having a number of pretty great songs hamstrung by its production.

it's a spice in the mix, but of way lesser importance to me than the quality of the performance and the compositions.
Do you find that you're able to separate how a song sounds from what it is? The choices the band makes with how a song is presented, from guitar pedals to how Eddie sings something, are all part of the performance and composition. I get that production and mixing is its own art, but I don't really feel like it's so easy to bifurcate a song's composition from its sonics (at least for a rock band like PJ, which isn't really aiming to write standards that are meant to exist outside of the band)

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Tue April 09, 2024 8:53 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
VinylGuy wrote:
RockPusher wrote:
oneway23 wrote:
RockPusher wrote:My brother is a sound engineer. He hears things differently than me. He won't do live concert sound because he doesn't want to sacrifice an iota of hearing.
What does your brother think of the production on the songs thus far?
He is a hipster. While he enjoyed the PJ show I took him to when he was like 14, I don't think they are on his radar and I'm not going to ask him to listen to it until I have the whole album in some kind of decent (for what it is) format.
whats his opinion on Ice Spice´s fart song?
tread lightly, VG. Ice Spice is awesome.

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Tue April 09, 2024 8:53 pm
by RockPusher
digster wrote:(at least for a rock band like PJ, which isn't really aiming to write standards that are meant to exist outside of the band)
what does this mean?

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Tue April 09, 2024 8:55 pm
by stip
digster wrote:
stip wrote:
oneway23 wrote:
RockPusher wrote:My brother is a sound engineer. He hears things differently than me. He won't do live concert sound because he doesn't want to sacrifice an iota of hearing.
What does your brother think of the production on the songs thus far?
I too would like to know this.

Riot Act is a great example of production elevating some fairly average songs

I stand by Lightning Bolt having a number of pretty great songs hamstrung by its production.

it's a spice in the mix, but of way lesser importance to me than the quality of the performance and the compositions.
Do you find that you're able to separate how a song sounds from what it is? The choices the band makes with how a song is presented, from guitar pedals to how Eddie sings something, are all part of the performance and composition. I get that production and mixing is its own art, but I don't really feel like it's so easy to bifurcate a song's composition from its sonics (at least for a rock band like PJ, which isn't really aiming to write standards that are meant to exist outside of the band)
i mean i think i can. when we say we prefer a song live isnt that at least partially what we are doing?

Re: Dark Matter: Official Album Thread

Posted: Tue April 09, 2024 8:59 pm
by digster
RockPusher wrote:
digster wrote:(at least for a rock band like PJ, which isn't really aiming to write standards that are meant to exist outside of the band)
what does this mean?
I'm imperfectly describing how music used to be, in which songs were written and distributed as sheet music and meant to be played by others. PJ isn't writing standards, for lack of a better term.