Red Mosquito

harmless wrote:

Jaeti wrote:So, like, what would have made people here happy today? How could this be a letdown for anyone whose expectations were reasonable? ... But still, in the end, big deal.

Who are you?

BurtReynolds wrote:the funny thing is there will be a lot less excitement for the next countdown, when they hopefully announce something that isn't another run of the mill US nostalgia tour.

stip wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

Coach wrote:A countdown to yet another countdown. Band management is pathetic.

I think the band legitimately think people care. I blame the fanbois over on the pit and the people who are buying the dog collars. They are really fucking with any realistic understanding the band has left regarding the real public's perception and interest in them.

oh come on. The countdown was for fans. And judging by the reaction here people did care. They cared quite a bit. They read that exactly right.

The failure here was not to understand that album information is more exciting than tour information and that expecting album information/new music was a reasonable expectation.

bluestate wrote:

harmless wrote:

Jaeti wrote:So, like, what would have made people here happy today? How could this be a letdown for anyone whose expectations were reasonable? ... But still, in the end, big deal.

Who are you?

Your replacement?

hlniv wrote:My disappointment has driven me to register and post. I am starting to realize that the Wrigley show may very well be the last time I see these guys play live..... ever. I guess if you live anywhere from Nebraska to Florida, a travel excursion is required to see the band from now on, full on with plane tickets, hotels, etc... Just can't do that anymore. I'm too damn old, have kids, responsibilities, etc... I mean, when's the next full tour? 2016 at best? And I'd bet I have a 10% chance of seeing them within an hour or two drive from my Louisville home. It's been 19 years since they played here. We have a brand spanking new downtown arena- I saw the Who there in the Spring. I was fully expecting there would be a date in Louisville because of these two facts.

All that build-up just to have half the country realize they won't be seeing them this tour seems a little near sighted. I guess the countdown gimmick will continue, and I will look forward to album and single news, but to ever expect anything again that is surprisingly satisfying from this band is a bad idea and I just need to get used to it.

Sad to think, but it looks like my Pearl Jam fandom has officially moved on to the "good ol' days" of my youth.

stip wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:the funny thing is there will be a lot less excitement for the next countdown, when they hopefully announce something that isn't another run of the mill US nostalgia tour.

yup.

the countdown idea was neat, and it worked in terms of buildup. But they really messed up the order.

stip wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

Coach wrote:A countdown to yet another countdown. Band management is pathetic.

I think the band legitimately think people care. I blame the fanbois over on the pit and the people who are buying the dog collars. They are really fucking with any realistic understanding the band has left regarding the real public's perception and interest in them.

oh come on. The countdown was for fans. And judging by the reaction here people did care. They cared quite a bit. They read that exactly right.

The failure here was not to understand that album information is more exciting than tour information and that expecting album information/new music was a reasonable expectation.

stupidmop wrote:Don't tour announcements usually come after album announcements.....so the tour is y'know...supporting the album

harmless wrote:

stip wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

Coach wrote:A countdown to yet another countdown. Band management is pathetic.

I think the band legitimately think people care. I blame the fanbois over on the pit and the people who are buying the dog collars. They are really fucking with any realistic understanding the band has left regarding the real public's perception and interest in them.

oh come on. The countdown was for fans. And judging by the reaction here people did care. They cared quite a bit. They read that exactly right.

The failure here was not to understand that album information is more exciting than tour information and that expecting album information/new music was a reasonable expectation.

The fallacy here is that every time this shit happens, someone says 'Well this wasn't for you, it was for the fans.' But the fans are always *over there*, like, not us. And some of them will be on the Pit too. So in the end, who *was* this announcement for? The answer is, anyone who was interested... and the number of interested people is shrinking every time they pull a stunt like this. So now, 'fans' simply means 'not you, someone else'.

Noaheb wrote:

hlniv wrote:My disappointment has driven me to register and post. I am starting to realize that the Wrigley show may very well be the last time I see these guys play live..... ever. I guess if you live anywhere from Nebraska to Florida, a travel excursion is required to see the band from now on, full on with plane tickets, hotels, etc... Just can't do that anymore. I'm too damn old, have kids, responsibilities, etc... I mean, when's the next full tour? 2016 at best? And I'd bet I have a 10% chance of seeing them within an hour or two drive from my Louisville home. It's been 19 years since they played here. We have a brand spanking new downtown arena- I saw the Who there in the Spring. I was fully expecting there would be a date in Louisville because of these two facts.

All that build-up just to have half the country realize they won't be seeing them this tour seems a little near sighted. I guess the countdown gimmick will continue, and I will look forward to album and single news, but to ever expect anything again that is surprisingly satisfying from this band is a bad idea and I just need to get used to it.

Sad to think, but it looks like my Pearl Jam fandom has officially moved on to the "good ol' days" of my youth.

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harmless wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

Coach wrote:

harmless wrote:

Coach wrote:A countdown to yet another countdown. Band management is pathetic.

I feel like I'm in a fucking Take That fan club.

The band's management can get away with these misguided PR stunts because the band makes great music and we all love the band.

The band MADE great music......

The band doesn't make great music anymore and hasn't done for a long time. And some of us haven't loved them for a long time. I wish I could but meh, worse things have happened.

vedder316 wrote:Pretty sweet they are coming to Pittsburgh for the first time in 7 years. The whole Countdown thing was very lame. I mean where the fuck is this new record?

durdencommatyler wrote:So, how many people (fan club members) still went ahead and entered the lottery for a show?

Strat wrote:

stupidmop wrote:Don't tour announcements usually come after album announcements.....so the tour is y'know...supporting the album

Nope. Not with PJ anymore. Touring is about milking us idiots for all we are worth...

stip wrote:

harmless wrote:

stip wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

Coach wrote:A countdown to yet another countdown. Band management is pathetic.

I think the band legitimately think people care. I blame the fanbois over on the pit and the people who are buying the dog collars. They are really fucking with any realistic understanding the band has left regarding the real public's perception and interest in them.

oh come on. The countdown was for fans. And judging by the reaction here people did care. They cared quite a bit. They read that exactly right.

The failure here was not to understand that album information is more exciting than tour information and that expecting album information/new music was a reasonable expectation.

The fallacy here is that every time this shit happens, someone says 'Well this wasn't for you, it was for the fans.' But the fans are always *over there*, like, not us. And some of them will be on the Pit too. So in the end, who *was* this announcement for? The answer is, anyone who was interested... and the number of interested people is shrinking every time they pull a stunt like this. So now, 'fans' simply means 'not you, someone else'.

I don't think we're disagreeing. My point is that the countdown was not for the general population (the public), which verb_to_trust seemed to be implying. It was for the pearl jam community. And it did generate interest. In that respect it was successful. The problem was that a tour announcement doesn't include everyone--which was your point.