Red Mosquito

Higgs wrote:

epilogue wrote:

Higgs wrote:

epilogue wrote:

Higgs wrote:For the record my comments weren't about trans rights in general, of course trans people have human rights as we all do. It was regarding trans sports participation specifically.

That's a pretty simple issue for me in that I don't agree with it and I suspect I'm in the majority with that thinking. The trouble with "everyone's rights" is that your rights trample my rights at times - so whose rights should win out?

If I was a Dem I'd have said "I agree, no trans athletes in sports'. Take the point away. Like I said, I'd think anyone going through gender reassignment would have far more to deal with than not playing sport under their new gender.

It is such a tiny percentage of the population, and an even tinier percent that the sport issue effects. I really can't believe this is even a political talking point tbh.

So you're okay with your rights trampling others?

What right of mine is trampling anyone else's in my scenario here? My right to an opinion?

Your comment about my rights trampling on anyone else's just prove my point that rights for all aren't fair and don't work perfectly in practice. Does my right to smoke trump your right to breathe clean air? Does your right to free speech trump my right to quiet enjoyment? Does my right to have my therapy dog beside me trump your right to not have your chronic dog allergy blow up?

You seem to think I'm trampling on trans rights in general here. I'm specifically talking about sports participation because that was the talking point (and bathrooms, but that one is so stupid I won't even mention it).

Rights conflicts exist everywhere. Sometimes yours win out sometimes other's do. Why should trans athlete's rights be special in that regard?

That's the point. They shouldn't be. Republicans are making them special by demonizing and othering them.

Look at it this way, would you every argue that Black people shouldn't be allowed to play sports? Or that women aren't allowed to play sports?

But that's my point too. If the Dems actually took a clear policy position on transgender peeps then they could have taken the talking point away. "This is our position on this issue. Now can we move on to other more pressing issues. And btw, why do you keep on harping on about trans anyway?". But they didn't. And continue to not have a clear position. Allowing Trump to bullshit on as he does and feeding his dumb as fuck base.

As a fan of both the NBA and Beach Volleyball I would never argue either of those things. But I don't think the trans women playing in female leagues is the same argument at all. There's physical realities that come into play whether you or I like it or not.

I can't believe I've spent the day arguing online about something that I myself stated should be a non issue. Trump really is a bit of a savant with this stuff.

Higgs wrote:

epilogue wrote:

Higgs wrote:

epilogue wrote:

Higgs wrote:For the record my comments weren't about trans rights in general, of course trans people have human rights as we all do. It was regarding trans sports participation specifically.

That's a pretty simple issue for me in that I don't agree with it and I suspect I'm in the majority with that thinking. The trouble with "everyone's rights" is that your rights trample my rights at times - so whose rights should win out?

If I was a Dem I'd have said "I agree, no trans athletes in sports'. Take the point away. Like I said, I'd think anyone going through gender reassignment would have far more to deal with than not playing sport under their new gender.

It is such a tiny percentage of the population, and an even tinier percent that the sport issue effects. I really can't believe this is even a political talking point tbh.

So you're okay with your rights trampling others?

What right of mine is trampling anyone else's in my scenario here? My right to an opinion?

Your comment about my rights trampling on anyone else's just prove my point that rights for all aren't fair and don't work perfectly in practice. Does my right to smoke trump your right to breathe clean air? Does your right to free speech trump my right to quiet enjoyment? Does my right to have my therapy dog beside me trump your right to not have your chronic dog allergy blow up?

You seem to think I'm trampling on trans rights in general here. I'm specifically talking about sports participation because that was the talking point (and bathrooms, but that one is so stupid I won't even mention it).

Rights conflicts exist everywhere. Sometimes yours win out sometimes other's do. Why should trans athlete's rights be special in that regard?

That's the point. They shouldn't be. Republicans are making them special by demonizing and othering them.

Look at it this way, would you every argue that Black people shouldn't be allowed to play sports? Or that women aren't allowed to play sports?

But that's my point too. If the Dems actually took a clear policy position on transgender peeps then they could have taken the talking point away. "This is our position on this issue. Now can we move on to other more pressing issues. And btw, why do you keep on harping on about trans anyway?". But they didn't. And continue to not have a clear position. Allowing Trump to bullshit on as he does and feeding his dumb as fuck base.

As a fan of both the NBA and Beach Volleyball I would never argue either of those things. But I don't think the trans women playing in female leagues is the same argument at all. There's physical realities that come into play whether you or I like it or not.

I can't believe I've spent the day arguing online about something that I myself stated should be a non issue. Trump really is a bit of a savant with this stuff.

Bi_3 wrote:So for trans-women in women's sports it was an easy win because it's a 70-80% oppose rate and Biden rewrote the Title IX anti-discrimination guidelines to support of allowing trans-women in women's sport, so Dems either contradict Biden and their activist class or cede the issue to Trump. Easy win for orange man.

On the core issue though there is a pretty simple thought experiment that can answer it: Would you be comfortable if a team intentionally fielded a 100% trans-women squad in a women's league?

dimejinky99 wrote:Turnout for the German election today is 84%. A record turnout since 1990 and German reunification.
Exit polls I never trust but looks like the AfD Nazis have been soundly beaten.

dimejinky99 wrote:Trump. A Savant?

You think you’ve heard it all..

Anders wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Turnout for the German election today is 84%. A record turnout since 1990 and German reunification.
Exit polls I never trust but looks like the AfD Nazis have been soundly beaten.

Finally some good news.

dimejinky99 wrote:

Anders wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Turnout for the German election today is 84%. A record turnout since 1990 and German reunification.
Exit polls I never trust but looks like the AfD Nazis have been soundly beaten.

Finally some good news.

The efforts of the Kremlin and the White House to interfere in the German election being mentioned most as the reason people turned out.

Great to hear.

Anders wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

Anders wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Turnout for the German election today is 84%. A record turnout since 1990 and German reunification.
Exit polls I never trust but looks like the AfD Nazis have been soundly beaten.

Finally some good news.

The efforts of the Kremlin and the White House to interfere in the German election being mentioned most as the reason people turned out.

Great to hear.

Yes.

Bi_3 wrote:That is what Trump asked for.

dimejinky99 wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:That is what Trump asked for.

You must have missed Vance’s speech in Munich insulting the EU countries and Musk promoting the AfD constantly the last while.

It really wasn’t what Trump wanted Bi. Though he’s now trying to say it is.
And he won’t be happy at all with the new Chancellors comments.

Anders wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:Trump. A Savant?

You think you’ve heard it all..

Lol.

Anyone that voted for Trump on any transgender bias is a dumbass.

BurtReynolds wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:That is what Trump asked for.

You must have missed Vance’s speech in Munich insulting the EU countries and Musk promoting the AfD constantly the last while.

It really wasn’t what Trump wanted Bi. Though he’s now trying to say it is.
And he won’t be happy at all with the new Chancellors comments.

I'm sure he's devastated