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BigRedLedbetter · Post by **BigRedLedbetter** » Wed August 26, 2015 4:23 am

Chris_H_2 wrote:by the way, how long would I last in st louis before getting shot in the forehead by suggesting that if ozzie smith played his same career in the 90's and 00's, he wouldn't sniff the hall of fame?

I got in a debate about Ozzie the other day. Not taking anything away from him. Amazing SS and all but is he a better SS than Andruw Jones was a CF? I think it's a push and the hitting stats are not even close. No disrespect to Ozzie. For his era he was amazing but if he is a Hall of Famer so is Andruw Jones and Omar Vizquel.

Lament · Post by **Lament** » Wed August 26, 2015 4:25 am

The thing I am most looking forward to about the next Franchise Tournament is Kaius posting pictures of cardinals to represent his emotions every day. I've missed that.

Also I am looking forward to kicking 85% of my pitching staff from the last one to the curb.

Norah · Post by **Norah** » Wed August 26, 2015 4:44 am

The Red Sox are gonna win again.

BigRedLedbetter · Post by **BigRedLedbetter** » Wed August 26, 2015 4:49 am

Chud Hirsch and that confidence! You can always count on it.

Lament · Post by **Lament** » Wed August 26, 2015 4:52 am

cutuphalfdead wrote:The Red Sox are gonna win again.

Probably. But if we end up doing an AL & NL, a possible Giants or Dodgers team could be a threat (along with the obvious Yankees and Cardinals again).

philpritchard · Post by **philpritchard** » Wed August 26, 2015 10:32 am

The Jays will be much improved this time around.

Monkey_Driven · Post by **Monkey_Driven** » Wed August 26, 2015 2:35 pm

Lots of underlying tension this season between the Cardinals and Royals fans. The Royals being good have led to some pretty passive aggressive behavior by Cards fans.

BigRedLedbetter · Post by **BigRedLedbetter** » Wed August 26, 2015 2:39 pm

I am kind of hoping for a Royals/Cards WS. It would be fun to see a couple Midwest teams in the Series. Also, yes, the tension. My God the tension. It would be a blood bath and honestly a hell of a series. Ticket prices would be ridiculous.

Maybe Don Denkinger could throw out the first pitch?

Joesanity · Post by **Joesanity** » Wed August 26, 2015 2:56 pm

BigRedLedbetter wrote:
Chris_H_2 wrote:by the way, how long would I last in st louis before getting shot in the forehead by suggesting that if ozzie smith played his same career in the 90's and 00's, he wouldn't sniff the hall of fame?
I got in a debate about Ozzie the other day. Not taking anything away from him. Amazing SS and all but is he a better SS than Andruw Jones was a CF? I think it's a push and the hitting stats are not even close. No disrespect to Ozzie. For his era he was amazing but if he is a Hall of Famer so is Andruw Jones and Omar Vizquel.

Omar Vizquel should never sniff the Hall of Fame and shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as Ozzie Smith. They aren't even close defensively, or even offensively. Ozzie was better there too.

People here in Cleveland overrate the guy so much you'd think he was a 6' point guard from Australia.

Fuck You Jobu · Post by **Fuck You Jobu** » Wed August 26, 2015 3:15 pm

BigRedLedbetter · Post by **BigRedLedbetter** » Wed August 26, 2015 3:36 pm

Joesanity wrote:
BigRedLedbetter wrote:
Chris_H_2 wrote:by the way, how long would I last in st louis before getting shot in the forehead by suggesting that if ozzie smith played his same career in the 90's and 00's, he wouldn't sniff the hall of fame?
I got in a debate about Ozzie the other day. Not taking anything away from him. Amazing SS and all but is he a better SS than Andruw Jones was a CF? I think it's a push and the hitting stats are not even close. No disrespect to Ozzie. For his era he was amazing but if he is a Hall of Famer so is Andruw Jones and Omar Vizquel.
Omar Vizquel should never sniff the Hall of Fame and shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as Ozzie Smith. They aren't even close defensively, or even offensively. Ozzie was better there too.

People here in Cleveland overrate the guy so much you'd think he was a 6' point guard from Australia.

Agree to disagree on Vizquel. I agree that Ozzie is better with the glove but not by a ton. Omar has like the 8th highest defensive WAR of all time, 11 Gold Gloves (means a lot to the voters) and 2877 hits. Omar has a higher career batting avg, OPS, more hits, etc. If Ozzie gets in on the first ballot and gets 91% of the votes than Omar should get in. Omar should not get in on the first try. But down the road he should. Ozzie is not THAT much better of a player all time.

If Omar was a Cardinal or a Yankee for most of his career this would not even be a conversation. Omar would be getting in on the first try. Where you play should not matter.

Leads me to this point. Someone like Andre Dawson should not have struggled to get in the HoF for so long because they spent half of his career in baseball hell (Montreal) or in a not overly sexy market (Cleveland) and now Tim Raines is having the same problem. Biggio is a first ballot guy if he is a Yankee or Cardinal his whole career. Makes no sense.

BigRedLedbetter · Post by **BigRedLedbetter** » Wed August 26, 2015 3:36 pm

Fuck You Jobu wrote:

Badass!

Norah · Post by **Norah** » Wed August 26, 2015 4:02 pm

BigRedLedbetter wrote:
Fuck You Jobu wrote:
Badass!

They should be arranged by league/division to show those changes too.

philpritchard · Post by **philpritchard** » Wed August 26, 2015 4:09 pm

BigRedLedbetter wrote:
Joesanity wrote:
BigRedLedbetter wrote:
Chris_H_2 wrote:by the way, how long would I last in st louis before getting shot in the forehead by suggesting that if ozzie smith played his same career in the 90's and 00's, he wouldn't sniff the hall of fame?
I got in a debate about Ozzie the other day. Not taking anything away from him. Amazing SS and all but is he a better SS than Andruw Jones was a CF? I think it's a push and the hitting stats are not even close. No disrespect to Ozzie. For his era he was amazing but if he is a Hall of Famer so is Andruw Jones and Omar Vizquel.
Omar Vizquel should never sniff the Hall of Fame and shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as Ozzie Smith. They aren't even close defensively, or even offensively. Ozzie was better there too.

People here in Cleveland overrate the guy so much you'd think he was a 6' point guard from Australia.
Agree to disagree on Vizquel. I agree that Ozzie is better with the glove but not by a ton. Omar has like the 8th highest defensive WAR of all time, 11 Gold Gloves (means a lot to the voters) and 2877 hits. Omar has a higher career batting avg, OPS, more hits, etc. If Ozzie gets in on the first ballot and gets 91% of the votes than Omar should get in. Omar should not get in on the first try. But down the road he should. Ozzie is not THAT much better of a player all time.

If Omar was a Cardinal or a Yankee for most of his career this would not even be a conversation. Omar would be getting in on the first try. Where you play should not matter.

Leads me to this point. Someone like Andre Dawson should not have struggled to get in the HoF for so long because they spent half of his career in baseball hell (Montreal) or in a not overly sexy market (Cleveland) and now Tim Raines is having the same problem. Biggio is a first ballot guy if he is a Yankee or Cardinal his whole career. Makes no sense.

I should hope Vizquel had a higher OPS given the disparity in offensive eras they played in. To neutralize that, Smith had a 90 wRC+ and Vizquel had an 83. Smith is in the top 10 for SS WAR all time, between Jeter and Larkin. Vazquez is 32nd, just behind Tony Fernandez despite nearly 50% more plate appearances.

Fuck You Jobu · Post by **Fuck You Jobu** » Wed August 26, 2015 4:27 pm

cutuphalfdead wrote:
BigRedLedbetter wrote:
Fuck You Jobu wrote:
Badass!
They should be arranged by league/division to show those changes too.

That would be cool. Wish there was a way to slow it down too (other than dissecting the gif with each individual image).

numbers · Post by **numbers** » Wed August 26, 2015 4:44 pm

What does it matter how many homegrown players the White Sox have?

BigRedLedbetter · Post by **BigRedLedbetter** » Wed August 26, 2015 4:52 pm

Wish the Rangers would go back to this!

numbers wrote:What does it matter how many homegrown players the White Sox have?

Oh, it matters!

philpritchard · Post by **philpritchard** » Wed August 26, 2015 5:14 pm

"Play the game the right way" just might be the dumbest thing about baseball.

BigRedLedbetter · Post by **BigRedLedbetter** » Wed August 26, 2015 5:39 pm

philpritchard wrote:"Play the game the right way" just might be the dumbest thing about baseball.

It is and it isn't. Something can be said for being respectful and playing hard....sadly not everyone plays the game like that. But it is overused I agree.

philpritchard · Post by **philpritchard** » Wed August 26, 2015 6:01 pm

BigRedLedbetter wrote:
philpritchard wrote:"Play the game the right way" just might be the dumbest thing about baseball.
It is and it isn't. Something can be said for being respectful and playing hard....sadly not everyone plays the game like that. But it is overused I agree.

And people in different countries/cultures grow up playing different ways and have different ideas of what constitutes "being respectful and playing hard".

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