Red Mosquito

No one that the nutbag caucus puts up with get votes from other Republicans. No one that other Republicans put up with get nutbag votes.

If the moderate Republicans don't offer up someone that can draw at least a couple of Dem votes, this will never end.

B wrote:No one that the nutbag caucus puts up with get votes from other Republicans. No one that other Republicans put up with get nutbag votes.

If the moderate Republicans don't offer up someone that can draw at least a couple of Dem votes, this will never end.

Might be a good time to bump the predictions thread. They'll get a Speaker without any Democratic votes. As McP already pointed out, any Republican who only became Speaker due to Democratic votes would be DOA.

4/5 wrote: I just looked at a wikipedia article on the history of votes for Speaker and it sure looks from a quick glance that virtually every Speaker vote ever has been on a party line: the minority party votes for their leader as Speaker. I think it's very tough to make the case that Democrats had any kind of obligation to save McCarthy.

But, they are gambling that the country wont end up with a MEGArepublican (Biden's word, not mine) as speaker.


Edit: I think you could make the case there are in reality four parties (red-MAGA, red-Cuck, blue-Shit4brains, blue-Geriatric).

4/5 wrote:

B wrote:No one that the nutbag caucus puts up with get votes from other Republicans. No one that other Republicans put up with get nutbag votes.

If the moderate Republicans don't offer up someone that can draw at least a couple of Dem votes, this will never end.

Might be a good time to bump the predictions thread. They'll get a Speaker without any Democratic votes. As McP already pointed out, any Republican who only became Speaker due to Democratic votes would be DOA.

It's not that I disagree with that, but I don't know how this ends.

Lol. Yes, I am conditioned to think that the onus is the majority to select their own party leadership without votes from the other party.

Trag, I’d be curious to hear your “and then.”

“Democrats should have voted to keep McCarthy as Speaker, because then…”…what?

What happens after that?

As far as I can tell, you would have a Speaker of the House who cannot corral votes, full stop. Someone who cannot negotiate on behalf of his party, who would be mockingly called “the Democrat Speaker,” and who would be powerless to make promises or bargain as the shutdown approaches.

McCarthy could have bypassed the MAGA group at any time. He only ever needed to fashion a budget that could get seven Democrat votes. He was more amenable to negotiating unattainable budget cuts with his right flank than he was to attempting a compromise that could draw just 7 votes, because he knew that any bill that compromised with Democrats would be dead in the water on his side of the aisle.

McParadigm wrote:Trag, I’d be curious to hear your “and then.”

“Democrats should have voted to keep McCarthy as Speaker, because then…”…what?

What happens after that?

As far as I can tell, you would have a Speaker of the House who cannot corral votes, full stop. Someone who cannot negotiate on behalf of his party, who would be mockingly called “the Democrat Speaker,” and who would be powerless to make promises or bargain as the shutdown approaches.

McCarthy could have bypassed the MAGA group at any time. He only ever needed to fashion a budget that could get seven Democrat votes. He was more amenable to negotiating unattainable budget cuts with his right flank than he was to attempting a compromise that could draw just 7 votes, because he knew that any bill that compromised with Democrats would be dead in the water on his side of the aisle.

Genuinely curious why you think these two go together.

I can't think of any clearer proof that demonic possession is real than rando commoners having an opinion on the internal politics of who should be speaker of the house.

Maybe we’ve judged Gaetz to harshly in this specific situation

I want my MTV

Kurt Loder for Speaker of the House

4/5 wrote: What about it doesn't make sense? It seems like you want Democrats to act as if they're in a better world than the one that exists.

Maybe it does it but party identity-centered voters incentivize them against it.

96583UP wrote:Kurt Loder for Speaker of the House

Is that fucker even still alive?

lol Scalise stepping aside. What a shitshow

Elise Stefanik ftw

96583UP wrote:Kurt Loder for Speaker of the House

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