Red Mosquito

warehouse wrote:

simple schoolboy wrote:

warehouse wrote:

simple schoolboy wrote:

warehouse wrote:so the gov't can't restrict those b/c they are not 100% guns? is that the legal argument?

You can't define a block of aluminum about the correct size as a gun, so the government has defined the amount of machining inputs required for the cutoff.

The problem is they defined the gun part as the serialized part that holds the other bits together. At the time they defined this, the serialized receiver part was almost always forged metal that had to deal with significant stress. Gun designs have changed to be more modular, so there might be multiple receivers, only one of which is the registered gun part and is serialized. Manufacturers often choose to serialize the simplest part that is exposed to the least stress and is easier to manufacture.

agreed, gun manufacturers are a huge problem and taking advantage of outdated, borderline useless federal laws

The designs changed well before anyone thought about the legal implications. It's like going from diecast toy cars that you can't meaningfully modify to a Lego car that you can swap any part out of that you want.

The parts that are easiest to make also have large, flat features that are easier for manufacturers to stamp or put rollmarks on.

It's not some clever loophole, the feds have failed to update untenable definitions. The ATF has had to repeatedly drop cases to avoid an adverse ruling that would blow up their interpretation of the relevant gun defining statutes

i'm sure it's profit driven, but i'm also sure legal implications were considered during the design.

but i'm glad we are all on the same page that there are too many guns in the US

This kinda started with the military development of the M-16, so the government was fine with it at the time.

Gun/ accessory manufacturers ask the ATF for a greenlight on anything novel they might want to try. The ATF gives them a letter either formally approving it or forbidding it and demanding the destruction of all prototypes that might exist. Any legally innovative things that make it to market are explicitly signed off on. This is not an industry that you can ask forgiveness for coloring outside the lines.

so you're saying both over-aggressive manufacturers who value profit over everything, as well as the ATF, are guilty of flooding our country with weapons people don't need. interesting, i'll have to read more about the ATF position in the crisis.

Stickman wrote:St.Louis high school shooting leaves teacher, teenage girl dead, gunman killed

an incel. What a surprise

School gunman had AR-15-style weapon, 600 rounds of ammo

He's fighting for his life!!!

B wrote:He's fighting for his life!!!

Is there a zoomer in existence that doesn't want to be an influencer?

Well this guy ain't helpin

Philly deputy caught selling guns and meth — including guns used in high school ambush

Stickman wrote:Well this guy ain't helpin

Philly deputy caught selling guns and meth — including guns used in high school ambush

Take it to the acab thread.

This is a waste of an effort, even if it passes, it would be overturned. Code is speech.

elliseamos wrote:

Stickman wrote:Well this guy ain't helpin

Philly deputy caught selling guns and meth — including guns used in high school ambush

Take it to the acab thread.

All the Pinoys I know with questionable backgrounds have either been sourced with 80 percent lowers or ammunition by cop friends of theirs, both unlawful in my locality.

With this one simple trick (knowing a cop) you can avoid all the annoying gun regulations.

simple schoolboy wrote:

elliseamos wrote:

Stickman wrote:Well this guy ain't helpin

Philly deputy caught selling guns and meth — including guns used in high school ambush

Take it to the acab thread.

All the Pinoys I know with questionable backgrounds have either been sourced with 80 percent lowers or ammunition by cop friends of theirs, both unlawful in my locality.

With this one simple trick (knowing a cop) you can avoid all the annoying gun regulations.

that's not as law-abiding as you 2A weirdos make yourselves out to be lol

simple schoolboy wrote:

This is a waste of an effort, even if it passes, it would be overturned. Code is speech.

there is absolutely no reason these things should be legal

warehouse wrote:

simple schoolboy wrote:

elliseamos wrote:

Stickman wrote:Well this guy ain't helpin

Philly deputy caught selling guns and meth — including guns used in high school ambush

Take it to the acab thread.

All the Pinoys I know with questionable backgrounds have either been sourced with 80 percent lowers or ammunition by cop friends of theirs, both unlawful in my locality.

With this one simple trick (knowing a cop) you can avoid all the annoying gun regulations.

that's not as law-abiding as you 2A weirdos make yourselves out to be lol

All the crackers I know that own guns have clean records. The Pinoys that might not have legal status or are working to expunge a conviction are the ones fucking with 80 percent guns.

The point is, local cops are actively subverting the legal regime here, good luck with your fantasies of gun bans. The cops that are indifferent to guns are likely to be the ones least capable of pulling off the raids your preferred outcome would require. The cops that like guns think gun control (for non felons) is fake and dumb.

the whole problem is wording

it's not that anyone wants to remove all guns from the america but that is what NRA and republicans keep saying so it has been ingrained in most gun owners


a reasonable mind would agree that there are just some weapons a civilian shouldnt have access to especially if there are red flags for that person in question

simple schoolboy wrote:

warehouse wrote:

simple schoolboy wrote:

elliseamos wrote:

Stickman wrote:Well this guy ain't helpin

Philly deputy caught selling guns and meth — including guns used in high school ambush

Take it to the acab thread.

All the Pinoys I know with questionable backgrounds have either been sourced with 80 percent lowers or ammunition by cop friends of theirs, both unlawful in my locality.

With this one simple trick (knowing a cop) you can avoid all the annoying gun regulations.

that's not as law-abiding as you 2A weirdos make yourselves out to be lol

All the crackers I know that own guns have clean records. The Pinoys that might not have legal status or are working to expunge a conviction are the ones fucking with 80 percent guns.

The point is, local cops are actively subverting the legal regime here, good luck with your fantasies of gun bans. The cops that are indifferent to guns are likely to be the ones least capable of pulling off the raids your preferred outcome would require. The cops that like guns think gun control (for non felons) is fake and dumb.

oh look, another 2A weirdo that thinks gun reform involves raiding peoples' homes LOL.

also, read the article maybe? cops and felons aren't mutually exclusive.

How do you remove illegal firearms from someone who refuses to surrender them without going in and taking them Ruby Ridge style?

this is more complicated than just "removing illegal firearms". i think stopping or limiting production is maybe more important than anything. no rational person thinks we'll live in a country where people don't own guns.

warehouse wrote:this is more complicated than just "removing illegal firearms". i think stopping or limiting production is maybe more important than anything. no rational person thinks we'll live in a country where people don't own guns.

I've detailed here that what we currently define as guns are trivially easy to make.

We'd need to redefine what are regulated as guns, probably issue a whole bunch of waivers for industrial equipment (hydraulic tubing, etc) that would accidentally be affected and go from there.

You'd have to get buy in from anyone with a CNC mill, institute a level of internet censorship banning any code that appears to define "gun related objects" that would make the Chinese blush and a number of other things.

I don't think the US government as currently constituted is capable of undertaking such a project, and it would take decades or centuries to be 'successful'.

I find incapacitating the criminal and dangerously mentally ill to be far more just and efficient, but apparently that's just not in the cards.

simple schoolboy wrote:

warehouse wrote:this is more complicated than just "removing illegal firearms". i think stopping or limiting production is maybe more important than anything. no rational person thinks we'll live in a country where people don't own guns.

I've detailed here that what we currently define as guns are trivially easy to make.

We'd need to redefine what are regulated as guns, probably issue a whole bunch of waivers for industrial equipment (hydraulic tubing, etc) that would accidentally be affected and go from there.

You'd have to get buy in from anyone with a CNC mill, institute a level of internet censorship banning any code that appears to define "gun related objects" that would make the Chinese blush and a number of other things.

I don't think the US government as currently constituted is capable of undertaking such a project, and it would take decades or centuries to be 'successful'.

I find incapacitating the criminal and dangerously mentally ill to be far more just and efficient, but apparently that's just not in the cards.

because the NRA and republicans hold the cards

simple schoolboy wrote:

I find incapacitating the criminal and dangerously mentally ill to be far more just and efficient, but apparently that's just not in the cards.

well yeah, that's like the flip side of "just get rid of all guns"