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BigRedLedbetter wrote:That is an interesting idea too though. I could see something like this happening. Especially with the way pitching is these days.

The Players' Association would be all over this. Right now, some AAAA long reliever comes in to mop up for a few innings and then he gets demoted the next day so they can bring up a fresh arm. The PA would love for those guys to be able to keep earning MLB paycheques.

philpritchard wrote:

BigRedLedbetter wrote:That is an interesting idea too though. I could see something like this happening. Especially with the way pitching is these days.

The Players' Association would be all over this. Right now, some AAAA long reliever comes in to mop up for a few innings and then he gets demoted the next day so they can bring up a fresh arm. The PA would love for those guys to be able to keep earning MLB paycheques.

I could see 25 men rosters being 27 someday.

philpritchard wrote:

numbers wrote:A team can call up a designated pinch runner that can change games.

Also, not having to burn out all your major league relievers in a blow out is a benefit.

I love that you used that example. On Tuesday, Dalton Pompey was one of the callups for the Jays. That night, in a 7th inning tie, Smoak walked and Pompey came on to run. He proceeded to steal 2nd and 3rd and score on a sac fly. It was pretty amazing.

I agree that it's a benefit and some teams take advantage of it more than others, but I don't really have a problem with it.

I don't have much of a problem with it, I was just trying to give examples that show that it does indeed matter.

numbers wrote:

philpritchard wrote:

numbers wrote:A team can call up a designated pinch runner that can change games.

Also, not having to burn out all your major league relievers in a blow out is a benefit.

I love that you used that example. On Tuesday, Dalton Pompey was one of the callups for the Jays. That night, in a 7th inning tie, Smoak walked and Pompey came on to run. He proceeded to steal 2nd and 3rd and score on a sac fly. It was pretty amazing.

I agree that it's a benefit and some teams take advantage of it more than others, but I don't really have a problem with it.

I don't have much of a problem with it, I was just trying to give examples that show that it does indeed matter.

Cool. I just wanted an excuse to talk about that Pompey sequence.

philpritchard wrote:

numbers wrote:

philpritchard wrote:

numbers wrote:A team can call up a designated pinch runner that can change games.

Also, not having to burn out all your major league relievers in a blow out is a benefit.

I love that you used that example. On Tuesday, Dalton Pompey was one of the callups for the Jays. That night, in a 7th inning tie, Smoak walked and Pompey came on to run. He proceeded to steal 2nd and 3rd and score on a sac fly. It was pretty amazing.

I agree that it's a benefit and some teams take advantage of it more than others, but I don't really have a problem with it.

I don't have much of a problem with it, I was just trying to give examples that show that it does indeed matter.

Cool. I just wanted an excuse to talk about that Pompey sequence.

This is something I will always remember. Fitting that Uecker was calling the game.

Arrieta is just rolling right now

The Rosters should definitely be set.
the playoff teams rarely call up many, but a team thats out of it can call up a ton.
So as someone else says, that gives a team more lefties to throw out at Ortiz, more pinch runners, and pinch hitters, and so on.

Doug Melvin has long argued about changing this, and for the most part, the Brewers only call up 1 or 2 players.
On a similar subject, I dont know why teams who are going to limit how many innings a pitcher pitches in a season, start them in April and shut them down in September. Shut them down in April idiots, so youll have them in September/October.
The expanded rosters in April, instead of September would be a way around this. Thats not a bad idea.

MadTIGERmaN wrote:The Rosters should definitely be set.
the playoff teams rarely call up many, but a team thats out of it can call up a ton.
So as someone else says, that gives a team more lefties to throw out at Ortiz, more pinch runners, and pinch hitters, and so on.

Doug Melvin has long argued about changing this, and for the most part, the Brewers only call up 1 or 2 players.
On a similar subject, I dont know why teams who are going to limit how many innings a pitcher pitches in a season, start them in April and shut them down in September. Shut them down in April idiots, so youll have them in September/October.
The expanded rosters in April, instead of September would be a way around this. Thats not a bad idea.

They should really just give them extra rest or skip starts here and there in the second half of the season.

I understand trying to keep innings under control, but I don't think teams/agents/players should be so rigid about it. Is it really going to ruin Matt Harvey's career if he throws 30 innings beyond his limit? How has holding Strassburg out of the playoffs a few years ago benefited him since?

I am loving phil's genuine excitement right now. It's so refreshing.

I'm always happy for fan bases that have gone a long time without meaningful baseball. I genuinely am pulling for Toronto, except for this week.

I've had Fernandez and Stroman stashed on my DL all year (well Fernandez was off for a few weeks but I did draft him)
so gonna pay off with them both coming back for the last 2/3 weeks of the season.

@SkitchP wrote:I am loving phil's genuine excitement right now. It's so refreshing.

It's hard not to be excited right now. It's the first meaningful September baseball since 1993.

numbers wrote:I understand trying to keep innings under control, but I don't think teams/agents/players should be so rigid about it. Is it really going to ruin Matt Harvey's career if he throws 30 innings beyond his limit? How has holding Strassburg out of the playoffs a few years ago benefited him since?

The whole situation was handled in the worst way possible all the way around. Hopefully Harvey pitches great tonight and that's the start of everyone moving past this nonsense.

numbers wrote:How has holding Strassburg out of the playoffs a few years ago benefited him since?

The problem with this kind of analysis is that it's literally impossible to know.

philpritchard wrote:

numbers wrote:How has holding Strassburg out of the playoffs a few years ago benefited him since?

The problem with this kind of analysis is that it's literally impossible to know.

the sad part, is there is no scientific, or medical proof that the number of pitches raises the chances of an arm injury. There is plenty of pitchers from the past who through way more innings, way more pitches, and had long careers with virtually no problems. Spahn, Paige, Ryan, so on

owners are not so much concerned with the health / arm of the pitcher, as they are with the hit in the pocket book an injury to a pitcher brings, and the only way to insure a pitcher does not get hurt, is for a pitcher to not, pitch.

you could blow your arm out on pitch 10 or pitch 110 or pitch 210, in the first inning, 9th inning, or your 300 inning of the season. Soo i say let em pitch.

MadTIGERmaN wrote:

philpritchard wrote:

numbers wrote:How has holding Strassburg out of the playoffs a few years ago benefited him since?

The problem with this kind of analysis is that it's literally impossible to know.

the sad part, is there is no scientific, or medical proof that the number of pitches raises the chances of an arm injury. There is plenty of pitchers from the past who through way more innings, way more pitches, and had long careers with virtually no problems. Spahn, Paige, Ryan, so on

owners are not so much concerned with the health / arm of the pitcher, as they are with the hit in the pocket book an injury to a pitcher brings, and the only way to insure a pitcher does not get hurt, is for a pitcher to not, pitch.

you could blow your arm out on pitch 10 or pitch 110 or pitch 210, in the first inning, 9th inning, or your 300 inning of the season. Soo i say let em pitch.

Most of those guys weren't putting anywhere near the same stress on their arms as pitchers are now. And I'm guessing teams have way more information to back up their decisions that we could even imagine.

philpritchard wrote:
Most of those guys weren't putting anywhere near the same stress on their arms as pitchers are now.

How so?

The cubs literally beat the shit out of the cards tonight, specifically Carlos Villanueva.