Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)

[stip]

The prequels managed to highlight the things that were bad about the OT. Things people were willing to let go or overlook or maybe didn't even notice in the way the movies were plotted and written became ugly and obvious. People began to rewatch the OT through the lens of the PT. Those movies were so bad, they made the flaws in other movies obvious to those how had never seen or cared about them before.

pretty much. The power of those movies is really in what they awakened in people (no pun intended), as much if not more than their value as films. Though they're still on point in that regard, their legacy and impact transcends the filmmaking. And the prequels damaged the idea of star wars by showing that they are just movies, and could be bad movies, and made me reevaluate the OT as movies in a way I would not have done before.

We really could not be more diametrically opposed in the way we approach seemingly everything, stip.

what do you take issue with here?

[stip]

ANH has probably suffered from time and genre saturation. When it was released the whole fantasy genre wasn't as big as it got over the decades following it. It's a pretty straight forward fantasy story, with the hero living in exile learning about his true parentage and embarking on a journey to defeat a dark power. The whole idea of that story probably seemed a lot fresher when ANH was first released, but at this point in time it's one of dozens.

That's the bones of the story, yeah, and looked at in such broad terms, yes, it is generic genre material. But the specificity beyond that basic blueprint is, as I just laid out, more sophisticated and remarkable than just that.

Disagree.

Unless we're talking about George's imagination: light sabers and the Force and blah blah.

That's absurd; ANH wouldn't be anything if it weren't for its characters and their relationships/dynamics. Laser swords and a mystical energy field aren't the reasons that movie took off to the degree it did. Without Obi-Wan selling it, The Force wouldn't be as compelling. Without Luke's journey, the adventure wouldn't be as romantic. Without Vader, the Empire wouldn't be as menacing. Without Han, Chewie, 3PO, Leia, or R2, the movie wouldn't be such a fun, memorable experience. They are the crux of everything.

something can be generic insofar as it following a standard template, but be well done enough on almost every level that it reminds you why something became a template in the first place.

I'm glad it was you, Strat. I'm glad it was you.

[Strat]

ANH has probably suffered from time and genre saturation. When it was released the whole fantasy genre wasn't as big as it got over the decades following it. It's a pretty straight forward fantasy story, with the hero living in exile learning about his true parentage and embarking on a journey to defeat a dark power. The whole idea of that story probably seemed a lot fresher when ANH was first released, but at this point in time it's one of dozens.

That's the bones of the story, yeah, and looked at in such broad terms, yes, it is generic genre material. But the specificity beyond that basic blueprint is, as I just laid out, more sophisticated and remarkable than just that.

Disagree.

Unless we're talking about George's imagination: light sabers and the Force and blah blah.

That's absurd; ANH wouldn't be anything if it weren't for its characters and their relationships/dynamics. Laser swords and a mystical energy field aren't the reasons that movie took off to the degree it did. Without Obi-Wan selling it, The Force wouldn't be as compelling. Without Luke's journey, the adventure wouldn't be as romantic. Without Vader, the Empire wouldn't be as menacing. Without Han, Chewie, 3PO, Leia, or R2, the movie wouldn't be such a fun, memorable experience. They are the crux of everything.

something can be generic insofar as it following a standard template, but be well done enough on almost every level that it reminds you why something became a template in the first place.

I'm glad it was you, Strat. I'm glad it was you.

I didnt want McP to have to raise a finger today

[LoathedVermin72]

THEY WERE ALWAYS FILMS

[epilogue]

ANH has probably suffered from time and genre saturation. When it was released the whole fantasy genre wasn't as big as it got over the decades following it. It's a pretty straight forward fantasy story, with the hero living in exile learning about his true parentage and embarking on a journey to defeat a dark power. The whole idea of that story probably seemed a lot fresher when ANH was first released, but at this point in time it's one of dozens.

That's the bones of the story, yeah, and looked at in such broad terms, yes, it is generic genre material. But the specificity beyond that basic blueprint is, as I just laid out, more sophisticated and remarkable than just that.

Disagree.

Unless we're talking about George's imagination: light sabers and the Force and blah blah.

That's absurd; ANH wouldn't be anything if it weren't for its characters and their relationships/dynamics. Laser swords and a mystical energy field aren't the reasons that movie took off to the degree it did. Without Obi-Wan selling it, The Force wouldn't be as compelling. Without Luke's journey, the adventure wouldn't be as romantic. Without Vader, the Empire wouldn't be as menacing. Without Han, Chewie, 3PO, Leia, or R2, the movie wouldn't be such a fun, memorable experience. They are the crux of everything.

something can be generic insofar as it following a standard template, but be well done enough on almost every level that it reminds you why something became a template in the first place.

I'm glad it was you, Strat. I'm glad it was you.

I didnt want McP to have to raise a finger today

[Kaius]

THEY WERE ALWAYS FILMS

I am also slightly perplexed.

[epilogue]

THEY WERE ALWAYS FILMS

I am also slightly perplexed.

It's a metaphor guys. Christ.

[Kaius]

THEY WERE ALWAYS FILMS

I am also slightly perplexed.

It's a metaphor guys. Christ.

Yes, but in the context of judging the quality of these films, especially after seeing other, lesser quality films in the series, what does it mean?

[epilogue]

This can't be serious. Stop fucking with me, K.

[epilogue]

Can we talk about Mark Hamill's beard please? Or something?

[Strat]

Ltes talk about how goddamn adorable Daisy Ridely is.

[dimejinky99]

The cast and JJ were all on Jimmy kimmel last night by the way

[Kaius]

This can't be serious. Stop fucking with me, K.

I...don't like what you're insinuating, PAL.

[Kaius]

For the record, I think A New Hope is underrated.

[epilogue]

The cast and JJ were all on Jimmy kimmel last night by the way

Well... how did it go?

[epilogue]

For the record, I think A New Hope is underrated.

One of the biggest and beloved films of all time; a film that literally changed the way movies were made and marketed is underrated?

STOP FUCKING WITH ME, K

[Kaius]

For the record, I think A New Hope is underrated.

One of the biggest and beloved films of all time; a film that literally changed the way movies were made and marketed is underrated?

STOP FUCKING WITH ME, K

I'm not talking about it's cultural impact. I think it's on par with Empire as a standalone movie. Based on my perceptions, including the opinions that you and stip have stated, mine is not a popular sentiment. I think LV made some pretty good posts about it so I won't bother.

[HardTI]

Ltes talk about how goddamn adorable Daisy Ridely is.

THIS!
Can the next few pages be dedicated to just posting pictures of Daisy?

[epilogue]

Don't get creepy, kid.

[stip]

is strat counting down the days to the debut of the Slave Rey outfit?