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Re: Election 2024
Posted: Mon January 22, 2024 7:24 pm
by B

Fucking shenanigans just make politics messier and worse, and never result in giving the electorate the leader they actually want.
I'm registered independent, and actually thought of doing that. NC has open primaries. Then this year, some city council candidates in the LIBERAL city here were trashed because people thought they were too Libertarian, and they had voted in a Republican primary in the past, which was used against them.
Re: Election 2024
Posted: Mon January 22, 2024 7:27 pm
by Bi_3
tragabigzanda wrote:Don’t get me wrong, Haley taking the nom is a long shot. But there are a few things in her favor:
-Upcoming primary in her home state of SC could give her some real heat
-The abortion issue will become more central to their contrasts, arguably in her favor (im not clear on the numbers of pro-choice conservative voters vs hardline pro-lifers)
-Trump’s legal issues continue to be a problem
-Stefanik is a fucking idiot
In any event, it will be good for the party — and taking a long view, good for America — to have an articulate, female-led contrast to Trump’s brand of xenophobic, isolationist conservatism
I bet if you explained it to them without the threat of shaming them as some kind of *ist, most people would vote for xenophobic isolationism. Perhaps Trump is just a poor spokesperson for it.
Re: Election 2024
Posted: Mon January 22, 2024 7:57 pm
by tragabigzanda
FUCK ICE
Re: Election 2024
Posted: Mon January 22, 2024 11:04 pm
by 96583UP
Don Lemon loving Haley’s poll numbers rn
Re: Election 2024
Posted: Mon January 22, 2024 11:31 pm
by spike
tragabigzanda wrote:I think there’s a very reasonable argument to be made for prioritizing America’s economic interests, but I don’t get how that gets commingled with bigotry and ethnocentrism like they are fundamentally indivisible. I’d *like* to think a Trump v Haley primary can parse some of that out.
Blaming America’s economic problems on brown people is conservatism 101.
Re: Election 2024
Posted: Tue January 23, 2024 7:56 pm
by Vitalogist
I get the military people and fascists supporting Trump, but I don’t get the Christians supporting him. Or, at least, I don’t see how a person could believe Trump is a Christian. You’d have to be an idiot. Or maybe it’s all about abortion. That’s probably it.
Re: Election 2024
Posted: Tue January 23, 2024 8:12 pm
by B
Why would military support Trump? He's actively adversarial to veterans.
Re: Election 2024
Posted: Tue January 23, 2024 8:22 pm
by Vitalogist
I don’t know, but January 6 would seem to indicate they (or at least a subset) seem to love him.
Re: Election 2024
Posted: Tue January 23, 2024 8:23 pm
by Rangi Guy
Vitalogist wrote:I get the military people and fascists supporting Trump, but I don’t get the Christians supporting him. Or, at least, I don’t see how a person could believe Trump is a Christian. You’d have to be an idiot. Or maybe it’s all about abortion. That’s probably it.
False news! Six finger Trump loves to go to church and pray
Re: Election 2024
Posted: Tue January 23, 2024 8:25 pm
by Bi_3
Vitalogist wrote:I get the military people and fascists supporting Trump, but I don’t get the Christians supporting him. Or, at least, I don’t see how a person could believe Trump is a Christian. You’d have to be an idiot. Or maybe it’s all about abortion. That’s probably it.
It's the "The enemy of my enemy".
but also this:
Re: Election 2024
Posted: Tue January 23, 2024 8:30 pm
by wease
B wrote:Why would military support Trump? He's actively adversarial to veterans.
And thinks people killed or wounded in battle or POWs are all losers.
Re: Election 2024
Posted: Wed January 24, 2024 1:39 am
by B
Not today, Haley.
Re: Election 2024
Posted: Wed January 24, 2024 1:40 am
by Strat
She says they will carry on but i give it by tomorrow at 3pm Eastern that she drops out and endorses daddy
Re: Election 2024
Posted: Wed January 24, 2024 1:49 am
by Bi_3
He hits it on the nose.
Re: Election 2024
Posted: Wed January 24, 2024 2:18 am
by spike
Trump just claimed he won NH in both of the last two general elections. He did not.
Re: Election 2024
Posted: Wed January 24, 2024 2:27 am
by 96583UP
if he gets the nom, but loses the general election - that will be his second general election loss
will that make him the biggest loser in presidential history?
Re: Election 2024
Posted: Wed January 24, 2024 2:41 am
by bart
William Jennings Bryan lost three and Adlai stevenson lost two.
Re: Election 2024
Posted: Wed January 24, 2024 2:43 am
by B
Strat wrote:She says they will carry on but i give it by tomorrow at 3pm Eastern that she drops out and endorses daddy
I'm sure she'll need to lose in SC before throwing in the towel.
Re: Election 2024
Posted: Wed January 24, 2024 2:44 am
by dad
bart wrote:William Jennings Bryan lost three and Adlai stevenson lost two.
way to bring up old wounds…
Re: Election 2024
Posted: Wed January 24, 2024 2:44 am
by B
Bi_3 wrote:He hits it on the nose.
Trump voters think Trump is listening to them, but it's Dems that are delusional.