Red Mosquito

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digster wrote:

Thejambi wrote:

Coach wrote:I'm most interested in answers to the following questions:

Who leaked these?

How were they leaked?

Why were they leaked?

Are there more to come?

Conspiracy theory: Someone close to the band didn't like the bashing of the new material...

More realistic theory: B-sides randomly leak.

Don't know but the 10c is dropping the fist in typical fashion.

They're deleting any and all threads about it, it seems.

where? on the pit?

Yeah...I'm pretty sure at least. There were several long threads about the releases that are just not there anymore.

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:

Lounge Lizard wrote:My first day here, it's half past six, I'm starving, but I find it very difficult to get up, switch off and leave
Great board and you guys are great.

(dragging self by hair away from the monitor and out of the chair) see yall when I see you, off now

Welcome to the board

welcome to the bored!

So why are 10c deleting these again?

Thejambi wrote: I don't know. I think he was saying S/T and BS "accessibility" has fueled the tour machine and kept PJ elevated to headliner status. That if the albums were more artistic they wouldn't be as relevant and we would all be bitching because they weren't .

Yeah, I just don't think there's much to support that. I think they'd be playing about the same places now than if they'd never made those two records.

so who's gonna hook a brother up here

harmless wrote:So why are 10c deleting these again?

It's hurting LB.

This is the PJ i know and love. Let it Ride is just awesome, Mikes playing sounds like it did on Riot Act and Eddie knows what his range is......I like MYM but these two tracks blow it out of the water.....Why does this band leave some of their best songs as b sides? wash, hard to imagine, sad, fatal, undone, down, otherside, hold on, YL...These two songs should have replaced Gone and Big Wave....Anywho im glad we got to hear them, hopefully there are more to come

harmless wrote:So why are 10c deleting these again?

b/c they are nazi's

they cant delete our gmail account stuff right? so fuck them

Thejambi wrote: It's hurting LB.

This.

And, they've squashed these types of things before.

I need to hear these.

Thejambi wrote:

harmless wrote:So why are 10c deleting these again?

It's hurting LB.

not anymore than 'future days'

warehouse wrote:

harmless wrote:So why are 10c deleting these again?

b/c they are nazi's

they cant delete our gmail account stuff right? so fuck them

They could .

warehouse wrote:

Thejambi wrote:

harmless wrote:So why are 10c deleting these again?

It's hurting LB.

not anymore than 'future days'

digster wrote:

Thejambi wrote: I don't know. I think he was saying S/T and BS "accessibility" has fueled the tour machine and kept PJ elevated to headliner status. That if the albums were more artistic they wouldn't be as relevant and we would all be bitching because they weren't .

Yeah, I just don't think there's much to support that. I think they'd be playing about the same places now than if they'd never made those two records.

There is nothing 'relevant' about S/T and Backspacer. There is plenty to laugh at about them though. Before those records, I never thought Pearl Jam and 'laughing stock' could be synonymous in my mind, but sadly, they are, and too often. What is musically 'relevant' about Backspacer? What space in the contemporary music scene is it supposed to occupy? It sounds, production-wise, like an album they thought might occupy some space in the radio-friendly world. But still, this is Pearl Jam, and I find it impossible to compare the sound of Backspacer to any other band on the planet. But for all the wrong reasons.

if these ever see the light of day on an album it will have some fixin' put on them, and will probably have the guitar solo replaced with BoB playing around in his Casio.

this is why the rest of these demos need to leak. so they can finally be safe. with us.

Thejambi wrote:

warehouse wrote:

harmless wrote:So why are 10c deleting these again?

b/c they are nazi's

they cant delete our gmail account stuff right? so fuck them

They could .

Google will probably suspend the account and then we will make another one!

The link on page 1 no longer works. Anyone have a good one?

HardTI wrote:

Thejambi wrote:

warehouse wrote:

harmless wrote:So why are 10c deleting these again?

b/c they are nazi's

they cant delete our gmail account stuff right? so fuck them

They could .

Google will probably suspend the account and then we will make another one!

would google really give a fuck about pearl jam?

warehouse wrote:

EJ wrote:

Tuolumne wrote: To connect to fans is not an artistic approach?

that sounds like the polar opposite of art.

dont artists make art with the intention of it causing a reaction?

art is reactive, actually - it's a reaction to the world around the artist that is expressed through a compulsion to make something worthwhile FROM the reaction the artist has.
What art is most useful for, is being provocative.
art is best when the creative expression provokes other people to experience thought/feelings that they'd never have without that creative expression.

in this way, Pearl Jam were masters in the first ten years of their career. If they'd spent the most recent ten years doing the same thing instead of making music to connect with a large fan base, they'd expand their fan base organically, to me, instead, they aren't so much provoking reaction or emotion in people, but are instead MARKETING.

melonhead4 wrote:This is the PJ i know and love. Let it Ride is just awesome, Mikes playing sounds like it did on Riot Act and Eddie knows what his range is......I like MYM but these two tracks blow it out of the water.....Why does this band leave some of their best songs as b sides? wash, hard to imagine, sad, fatal, undone, down, otherside, hold on, YL...These two songs should have replaced Gone and Big Wave....Anywho im glad we got to hear them, hopefully there are more to come

I said this in another thread, but to me it's less about leaving b-sides off (they're always gonna be there, and it's fun to have some great stuff that takes some digging), but leaving them off when S/T's lineup was already comparatively weak? It's one thing to leave a great song off a great record, but another when that song can elevate a mediocre or poor record.