No Code: Official Album Thread

[stip]

hail hail is an example. I feel like the drums should be much harder hitting - they kind of poof along compared to the heaviness of the rest of the song.

[darth_vedder]

I can't get enough of the sonic landscape that In My Tree lives in. The band has never sounded better.

Suck on that trag!

[darth_vedder]

hail hail is an example. I feel like the drums should be much harder hitting - they kind of poof along compared to the heaviness of the rest of the song.

This is so wrong. Jack lifts the high hat in between each beat, it's pretty hard to play and the ending use of cymbals is absolute perfection.

[stip]

and I completely chalk this up to personal preference. I am sure its not a bad performance- but it isnt what I want. When I get to yield today Ill listen for it. I know I dont like what he is doing in GTF. On the other hand, his style works great on Brain of J - my favorite jack performance

[darth_vedder]

and I completely chalk this up to personal preference. I am sure its not a bad performance- but it isnt what I want. When I get to yield today Ill listen for it. I know I dont like what he is doing in GTF. On the other hand, his style works great on Brain of J - my favorite jack performance

The fills on BOJ are out of this world. You should go listen to Mirror Ball while you're at it. Jack soars.

[tragabigzanda]

pearl jam sucks now

[tragabigzanda]

pearl jam sucks now

[stip]

and I completely chalk this up to personal preference. I am sure its not a bad performance- but it isnt what I want. When I get to yield today Ill listen for it. I know I dont like what he is doing in GTF. On the other hand, his style works great on Brain of J - my favorite jack performance

The fills on BOJ are out of this world. You should go listen to Mirror Ball while you're at it. Jack soars.

but then Id be listening to Neil Young.

[stip]

As a point of reference, Bill Berry and Jimmy Chamberlin are my two favorite rock drummers, for different reasons

[Strat]

and I completely chalk this up to personal preference. I am sure its not a bad performance- but it isnt what I want. When I get to yield today Ill listen for it. I know I dont like what he is doing in GTF. On the other hand, his style works great on Brain of J - my favorite jack performance

The fills on BOJ are out of this world. You should go listen to Mirror Ball while you're at it. Jack soars.

but then Id be listening to Neil Young.

oh my god stip

[stip]

I have mirror ball. It doesn't do anything for me. Throw Your Hatred Down is oaky

[Kevin Davis]

Implied harmony is a thing dude

I understand that, but I don’t understand how he claims to hear from this boring ass bass line

But whether a melodic line is "boring" has nothing to do with whether it implies harmony. A simple repeated "root note bass line," by its very nature, communicates enough information to imply harmony around it, certainly much more discernably than a complex melody that flies up and down and across scales. We're really drilling down on this comment but I think the point was very simple: starting the song with only a simple bassline to imply harmonic accompaniment sounds neat, and it makes it that much more satisfying when those guitars finally do kick in.

Yes, this was very much what I was getting at -- I think it's common in songs that rely exclusively on basslines to provide the musical groundwork for a vocal melody. It's not necessarily something that's readily apparent until a person has registered the framework of the song, but it's absolutely there. If a simple bassline, for example, is C-D-F-G, those notes could be the bass accompaniment for any number of chords -- even in really simple terms, if the song is in the key of C, the next D note could serve as the root note for a D major or a D minor chord, chords which are only different from each other by one note, yet that difference has significant implications for the sonic and emotional feel of the song. As a song becomes more familiar, I think listeners -- especially listeners who tend to fret over musical nuance -- become more capable of registering what chords, what harmonies, are "supposed" to be there, based on the way all the other elements of the song work. It's one of those Thelonious Monk, "don't play all the notes, leave some to the listener's imagination"-type things -- to me, this is in that category. The fact that it's a simple bassline, by nature, means that this effect is more, not less pronounced -- the more intricate a bassline becomes, the more the harmony (those chord-defining notes) becomes not implied, but stated outright.

Totally fine if Trag doesn't hear it, but I do and it's one of the things I like about "In My Tree."

Though, I would certainly be much kinder to "Animal" in the context of a conversation that doesn't involve me comparing it to one of my favorite No Code songs.

I can't see the image

[Jorge]

It's a picture of two cool and hunky dudes high-fiving over being correct about Pearl Jam

[tragabigzanda]

pearl jam sucks now

[tragabigzanda]

pearl jam sucks now

[Kevin Davis]

When I get to yield today Ill listen for it. I know I dont like what he is doing in GTF.

Man, this makes me sad. I'm not sure any song better illustrates my preference for Jack as a drummer than the studio version of "Given to Fly," which has a sense of peace that is so much more in step with the song than Matt's much less sensitive live takes. Part of that is down to how much speed the song has picked up live, but even Matt's better versions from '98 just don't quite access the same space. "Wishlist," "Off He Goes," "Long Road," "Who You Are" -- these are all other examples of this. I like Matt as a drummer, even for Pearl Jam, but Jack had really incredible instincts for understanding a song's emotional register and supporting it in the most tasteful way possible.

[Strat]

*listens to 95-98 jack irons*

[tragabigzanda]

pearl jam sucks now

[Strat]

*listens to 95-98 jack irons*

*makes a post using the word "tasty"*

This is a very distasteful post

[tragabigzanda]

pearl jam sucks now