Red Mosquito

McParadigm wrote:

2 weeks to the day.

I guess he jUsT wAiTeD 2 WeEkS

Gotta say, of all the Trump-universe folks that I want to die from COVID, I didn't have Herman Cain anywhere on my bingo card.

B wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

2 weeks to the day.

I guess the symptoms were 10 days.

9-9-9 were his heart rate, blood pressure and white blood cell count.

Jammer XCI wrote:9-9-9 were his heart rate, blood pressure and white blood cell count.

Good callback

"There is no way of knowing for sure how or where Mr. Cain contracted the coronavirus."

Maybe if there were people that we could pay to interview Mr. Cain, identify where he has been recently, and who has been near him, and then contact those people and ask them to isolate themselves.

B wrote:Maybe if there were people that we could pay to interview Mr. Cain, identify where he has been recently, and who has been near him, and then contact those people and ask them to isolate themselves.

Regardless of who’s in charge in Texas, the state’s current situation pretty much speaks for itself.

Superblood Wolfmoon wrote:

Anders wrote:That is a weird take, but:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52015486

"Since the start of the coronavirus outbreak, the official advice from the World Health Organization has been that only two types of people should wear masks: those who are sick and show symptoms, and those who are caring for people who are suspected to have the coronavirus.

Nobody else needs to wear a mask, and experts have given several reasons for that.

One is that a mask is not seen as reliable protection as other methods, given that current research shows the virus is spread by droplets and contact with contaminated surfaces. So it could protect you, but only in certain situations such as when you're in close quarters with others where someone infected might sneeze or cough near your face. This is why experts say frequent hand washing with soap and water is far more effective.

Removing a mask requires special attention to avoid hand contamination, and it could also breed a false sense of security where you end up ignoring or forgetting to practice good hygiene."

I suppose if you're an average dumb-dumb like most Americans and think that a mask is a supersuit against coronavirus, so you go about your day as if nothing else is needed, then yeah, it's pointless. However, if you wear a mask when you have to be in public spaces, while remembering to also wash your hands, not touch your face, and maintain social distancing, it's probably helpful.

Yes, it can’t hurt in those circumstances. But research has shown that masks usually end up leading to more infections, since those following all those instructions are rare. Same with gloves. My mother and brother still insist on using gloves when they go shopping. They say the medical advice not to wear gloves is stupid.

Anders wrote:

Superblood Wolfmoon wrote:

Anders wrote:That is a weird take, but:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52015486

"Since the start of the coronavirus outbreak, the official advice from the World Health Organization has been that only two types of people should wear masks: those who are sick and show symptoms, and those who are caring for people who are suspected to have the coronavirus.

Nobody else needs to wear a mask, and experts have given several reasons for that.

One is that a mask is not seen as reliable protection as other methods, given that current research shows the virus is spread by droplets and contact with contaminated surfaces. So it could protect you, but only in certain situations such as when you're in close quarters with others where someone infected might sneeze or cough near your face. This is why experts say frequent hand washing with soap and water is far more effective.

Removing a mask requires special attention to avoid hand contamination, and it could also breed a false sense of security where you end up ignoring or forgetting to practice good hygiene."

I suppose if you're an average dumb-dumb like most Americans and think that a mask is a supersuit against coronavirus, so you go about your day as if nothing else is needed, then yeah, it's pointless. However, if you wear a mask when you have to be in public spaces, while remembering to also wash your hands, not touch your face, and maintain social distancing, it's probably helpful.

Yes, it can’t hurt in those circumstances. But research has shown that masks usually end up leading to more infections, since those following all those instructions are rare. Same with gloves. My mother and brother still insist on using gloves when they go shopping. They say the medical advice not to wear gloves is stupid.

Can you cite this research?

B wrote:

Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick said he will no longer listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci, one of the nation’s top infectious disease experts, as coronavirus cases and hospitalizations surge in Texas.

“Fauci said today that he’s concerned about states like Texas that skipped over certain things,” Patrick told Fox News’ Laura Ingraham on Tuesday. “He doesn’t know what he’s talking about. We haven’t skipped over anything. The only thing I’m skipping over is listening to him.”

...

“He has been wrong every time on every issue,” Patrick said. “I don’t need his advice anymore.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 358519002/

What, on Earth, has Fauci been wrong about?

It’s too late baby
Now it’s too late
Though we really did try to make it

Anders wrote:
Yes, it can’t hurt in those circumstances. But research has shown that masks usually end up leading to more infections, since those following all those instructions are rare. Same with gloves. My mother and brother still insist on using gloves when they go shopping. They say the medical advice not to wear gloves is stupid.

The US states that mandated masks are doing better than the ones that didn't. The "I'm putting on a mask to be careful, which could lead me to be less careful overall" never made much sense to me.

durdencommatyler wrote:

Anders wrote:

Superblood Wolfmoon wrote:

Anders wrote:That is a weird take, but:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52015486

"Since the start of the coronavirus outbreak, the official advice from the World Health Organization has been that only two types of people should wear masks: those who are sick and show symptoms, and those who are caring for people who are suspected to have the coronavirus.

Nobody else needs to wear a mask, and experts have given several reasons for that.

One is that a mask is not seen as reliable protection as other methods, given that current research shows the virus is spread by droplets and contact with contaminated surfaces. So it could protect you, but only in certain situations such as when you're in close quarters with others where someone infected might sneeze or cough near your face. This is why experts say frequent hand washing with soap and water is far more effective.

Removing a mask requires special attention to avoid hand contamination, and it could also breed a false sense of security where you end up ignoring or forgetting to practice good hygiene."

I suppose if you're an average dumb-dumb like most Americans and think that a mask is a supersuit against coronavirus, so you go about your day as if nothing else is needed, then yeah, it's pointless. However, if you wear a mask when you have to be in public spaces, while remembering to also wash your hands, not touch your face, and maintain social distancing, it's probably helpful.

Yes, it can’t hurt in those circumstances. But research has shown that masks usually end up leading to more infections, since those following all those instructions are rare. Same with gloves. My mother and brother still insist on using gloves when they go shopping. They say the medical advice not to wear gloves is stupid.

Can you site this research?

*cite

wease wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Anders wrote:

Superblood Wolfmoon wrote:

Anders wrote:That is a weird take, but:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52015486

"Since the start of the coronavirus outbreak, the official advice from the World Health Organization has been that only two types of people should wear masks: those who are sick and show symptoms, and those who are caring for people who are suspected to have the coronavirus.

Nobody else needs to wear a mask, and experts have given several reasons for that.

One is that a mask is not seen as reliable protection as other methods, given that current research shows the virus is spread by droplets and contact with contaminated surfaces. So it could protect you, but only in certain situations such as when you're in close quarters with others where someone infected might sneeze or cough near your face. This is why experts say frequent hand washing with soap and water is far more effective.

Removing a mask requires special attention to avoid hand contamination, and it could also breed a false sense of security where you end up ignoring or forgetting to practice good hygiene."

I suppose if you're an average dumb-dumb like most Americans and think that a mask is a supersuit against coronavirus, so you go about your day as if nothing else is needed, then yeah, it's pointless. However, if you wear a mask when you have to be in public spaces, while remembering to also wash your hands, not touch your face, and maintain social distancing, it's probably helpful.

Yes, it can’t hurt in those circumstances. But research has shown that masks usually end up leading to more infections, since those following all those instructions are rare. Same with gloves. My mother and brother still insist on using gloves when they go shopping. They say the medical advice not to wear gloves is stupid.

Can you site this research?

*cite

Fixed

wease wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Anders wrote:

Superblood Wolfmoon wrote:

Anders wrote:That is a weird take, but:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52015486

"Since the start of the coronavirus outbreak, the official advice from the World Health Organization has been that only two types of people should wear masks: those who are sick and show symptoms, and those who are caring for people who are suspected to have the coronavirus.

Nobody else needs to wear a mask, and experts have given several reasons for that.

One is that a mask is not seen as reliable protection as other methods, given that current research shows the virus is spread by droplets and contact with contaminated surfaces. So it could protect you, but only in certain situations such as when you're in close quarters with others where someone infected might sneeze or cough near your face. This is why experts say frequent hand washing with soap and water is far more effective.

Removing a mask requires special attention to avoid hand contamination, and it could also breed a false sense of security where you end up ignoring or forgetting to practice good hygiene."

I suppose if you're an average dumb-dumb like most Americans and think that a mask is a supersuit against coronavirus, so you go about your day as if nothing else is needed, then yeah, it's pointless. However, if you wear a mask when you have to be in public spaces, while remembering to also wash your hands, not touch your face, and maintain social distancing, it's probably helpful.

Yes, it can’t hurt in those circumstances. But research has shown that masks usually end up leading to more infections, since those following all those instructions are rare. Same with gloves. My mother and brother still insist on using gloves when they go shopping. They say the medical advice not to wear gloves is stupid.

Can you site this research?

*cite

Get off my shtick.

durdencommatyler wrote:

Anders wrote:

Superblood Wolfmoon wrote:

Anders wrote:That is a weird take, but:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52015486

"Since the start of the coronavirus outbreak, the official advice from the World Health Organization has been that only two types of people should wear masks: those who are sick and show symptoms, and those who are caring for people who are suspected to have the coronavirus.

Nobody else needs to wear a mask, and experts have given several reasons for that.

One is that a mask is not seen as reliable protection as other methods, given that current research shows the virus is spread by droplets and contact with contaminated surfaces. So it could protect you, but only in certain situations such as when you're in close quarters with others where someone infected might sneeze or cough near your face. This is why experts say frequent hand washing with soap and water is far more effective.

Removing a mask requires special attention to avoid hand contamination, and it could also breed a false sense of security where you end up ignoring or forgetting to practice good hygiene."

I suppose if you're an average dumb-dumb like most Americans and think that a mask is a supersuit against coronavirus, so you go about your day as if nothing else is needed, then yeah, it's pointless. However, if you wear a mask when you have to be in public spaces, while remembering to also wash your hands, not touch your face, and maintain social distancing, it's probably helpful.

Yes, it can’t hurt in those circumstances. But research has shown that masks usually end up leading to more infections, since those following all those instructions are rare. Same with gloves. My mother and brother still insist on using gloves when they go shopping. They say the medical advice not to wear gloves is stupid.

Can you site this research?

I have some links here, and recommendations in various countries. I’ve also read several articles about this from solid sources, mostly in Norwegian. It might not say exactly what you are looking for:

Recommendations on face mask use in community settings
WHO
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If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with suspected SARS-CoV-2 infection.

Germany
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There is not enough evidence to prove that wearing a surgical mask significantly reduces a healthy person's risk of becoming infected while wearing it. According to WHO, wearing a mask in situations where it is not recommended to do so can create a false sense of security because it might lead to neglecting fundamental hygiene measures, such as proper hand hygiene.

The Norwegian health institute have warned against wearing masks several times, and says that there is also a wide difference in masks, that many wear masks that are not medically cleared, and that those masks especially can lead to a false feeling of safety.

https://www.fhi.no/nettpub/coronavirus/ ... g-hygiene/

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/92 ... 3052&faf=1

« Face masks can play a role in preventing the infection, but that role is limited in real world situations. There is some evidence that wearing a face mask can protect you from transmitting the virus from your hands to your mouth, probably because you are paying more attention to NOT touching your face when you’re wearing it. You also have some protection from “splash” droplets if an infected person sneezes or coughs around you.
The biggest concern that doctors have around recommending masks is the false sense of security that might come along with wearing one. There are a lot of reasons why face masks are not ideal. For example, it’s really hard to find one that fits perfectly around your nose and mouth or to keep it on for a long period of time. The minute you scratch your nose or touch your mouth behind the mask, you’ve lost the protection that the mask is supposed to offer.
In medical settings, there are very specific guidelines about when to use masks and what kind of protection to wear depending on the type of infection patients have.
Droplet precautions: Use a rectangular surgical face mask for an infection that spreads by large droplets when someone coughs, sneezes, or talks. Infections like flu, whooping cough, and certain types of bacterial meningitis fall into this category. Both the person who is infected and the people caring for them should wear a face mask. It is really important that caregivers dispose of the mask after every interaction and use a new one any time they are in close confines with an infected person.
Airborne precautions: Some lung or throat infections spread when small viral or bacterial particles stay suspended in the air and are breathed in by others. 2019-CoV, measles, SARS, chickenpox and tuberculosis are a part of this category. In these cases, the infected person should wear a face mask. And all people coming into close contact should wear an N95 respirator, masks with a special air ilter designed to protect from tiny airborne particles. These masks fit to a person’s face and are usually rounded in shape.
While researchers continue to learn more about how this new coronavirus spreads, the recommendations around masks focus on people who have the infection or are highly likely to be exposed. People who have the infection or are at high risk for being exposed should wear a surgical face mask. Anyone caring for someone infected in a medical setting should wear a respirator mask as part of airborne precautions.
For the rest of us, the best protection — hand washing, avoiding sick people, and not touching our face with unwashed hands — also helps prevent colds and the flu. If you choose to wear a surgical mask, make sure you have the best fit possible around your mouth and nose. Properly dispose of the mask and put on a new one anytime someone coughing or sneezing around you contaminates it. It is also incredibly important to share your travel history with your doctors and reach out for early medical help if you have a fever, cough, trouble breathing.»

The lead Swedish experts have also said the opposite of one line in the above, that wearing a mask actually usually leads to someone touching their face more.

Why do you think it hit New York so badly?