Red Mosquito

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:

elliseamos wrote:

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:

elliseamos wrote:

evenslow wrote:

bluestate wrote:

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:What album artwork have they revealed?

Yea, that's what I want to know? I think some people are referring to the dinner plate symbol but I wouldn't consider that artwork that has anything to do with the album.

I would bet what little money I have that this is MYM single artwork, to be fully revealed by Thursday in conjunction with the song.

Then again, I've lost what little money I have betting on Ten Club before, so...

sticking with the dinner plate idea, maybe this minding your manners is about eating all the food on your plate b/c pearl jam is trying to end world hunger thru the global citizen campaign.

And where was that dinner plate at? I just see the same countdown clock that opened when the first countdown ended

Im tired of saying countdown

when you go here: https://pearljam.com/ you don't see these two things?

Spoiler: show

and

Spoiler: show

b/c we do, and we're talking about the plate/moon thing.

Yeah, i do, just didn't wait long enough for it to switch to the plate. Thanks for keeping me in the game here i missed a lot yesterday

Strat wrote:I think it has to do with a moon cycle and a new moon etc...

elliseamos wrote:

Strat wrote:I think it has to do with a moon cycle and a new moon etc...

could be. people have mentioned the Tides connection.

elliseamos wrote:

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:

elliseamos wrote:

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:

elliseamos wrote:

evenslow wrote:

bluestate wrote:

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:What album artwork have they revealed?

Yea, that's what I want to know? I think some people are referring to the dinner plate symbol but I wouldn't consider that artwork that has anything to do with the album.

I would bet what little money I have that this is MYM single artwork, to be fully revealed by Thursday in conjunction with the song.

Then again, I've lost what little money I have betting on Ten Club before, so...

sticking with the dinner plate idea, maybe this minding your manners is about eating all the food on your plate b/c pearl jam is trying to end world hunger thru the global citizen campaign.

And where was that dinner plate at? I just see the same countdown clock that opened when the first countdown ended

Im tired of saying countdown

when you go here: https://pearljam.com/ you don't see these two things?

Spoiler: show

and

Spoiler: show

b/c we do, and we're talking about the plate/moon thing.

Yeah, i do, just didn't wait long enough for it to switch to the plate. Thanks for keeping me in the game here i missed a lot yesterday

we need you at your best these next two days.

stay hydrated and sleep fast, doc.

darth_vedder wrote:

harmless wrote:

WtOB? wrote:

harmless wrote:I'm not sure I've ever heard Matt play a splash cymbal or a china. He seems more keen on rides and cowbells... which... doesn't suit Pearl Jam and never really has.

Matt uses both a splash and a china at different points on Binaural.
I'm pretty sure he's never used a cowbell. I think there's cowbell overdubbed in The Fixer, but it's not part of the whole kit and may not even be him playing it.

Fair points, and yeah there was splash and china in Binaural... something as small as that might make it my favourite drumming album from Matt. On the whole I didn't go WTF through any of it, and I usually do. My biggest WTF's have been in You Are ("Why aren't you smashing the hi-hats at this point; closed, ALL THE WAY THROUGH?") and probably Severed Hand (again, closed hi-hats until near the end.

I appreciate Blenheim's point that his influences (namely Copeland) steer clear of rock cliches. Maybe I feel that PJ as a band don't, so it's a mismatch when he does. The Police as an entirety steered away from the cliches; they were heavily influenced by ska (and influenced ska in turn) and maybe I just feel that PJ as a whole are nowhere near as innovative, so I'd rather Matt just did what I expect. Like the bitch that he is.

I agree with you about the closed high-hat. I think it makes PJ sound too stiff. The loose high-hat would give it more flow. This has been a big complaint of mine for years about "Faithfull" live. During t,he "echoes" part Matt closes the high-hit. On the album, the cymbals are ringing, and to these ears, it sounds brilliant; live, that part is stiff.

I disagree however, about the ride. From that snippet at the end of the tour video, the guitar / drum (snare/kick) thing sound great, then the ride cymbal (dome/bell part) kicks it up a notch. It reminds me somewhat of the 3:50 to 4:04 part of "Jesus Christ Pose", which I personally think is Matt Cameron at his absolute best.

evenslow wrote:Hot hot EPK action.

S/T: http://youtu.be/O5MKacPZg34

Backspacer: http://youtu.be/s3m4gvJDrlo

We've talked about this several times before but the guitars in the S/T video sound raw and RAD. Production clearly got in the way.

McParadigm wrote:

evenslow wrote:Hot hot EPK action.

S/T: http://youtu.be/O5MKacPZg34

Backspacer: http://youtu.be/s3m4gvJDrlo

We've talked about this several times before but the guitars in the S/T video sound raw and RAD. Production clearly got in the way.

Pretty sure the S/T clips are from the AOL sessions, well after the recording was finished....which means precisely dick about how they had them sounding in the studio.

evenslow wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

evenslow wrote:Hot hot EPK action.

S/T: http://youtu.be/O5MKacPZg34

Backspacer: http://youtu.be/s3m4gvJDrlo

We've talked about this several times before but the guitars in the S/T video sound raw and RAD. Production clearly got in the way.

Pretty sure the S/T clips are from the AOL sessions, well after the recording was finished....which means precisely dick about how they had them sounding in the studio.

You're always so chipper!!

evenslow wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

evenslow wrote:Hot hot EPK action.

S/T: http://youtu.be/O5MKacPZg34

Backspacer: http://youtu.be/s3m4gvJDrlo

We've talked about this several times before but the guitars in the S/T video sound raw and RAD. Production clearly got in the way.

Pretty sure the S/T clips are from the AOL sessions, well after the recording was finished....which means precisely dick about how they had them sounding in the studio.

You're always so chipper!!

McParadigm wrote:

evenslow wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

evenslow wrote:Hot hot EPK action.

S/T: http://youtu.be/O5MKacPZg34

Backspacer: http://youtu.be/s3m4gvJDrlo

We've talked about this several times before but the guitars in the S/T video sound raw and RAD. Production clearly got in the way.

Pretty sure the S/T clips are from the AOL sessions, well after the recording was finished....which means precisely dick about how they had them sounding in the studio.

You're always so chipper!!

All my emotional states are inspired by Bruce Springsteen album covers.

There's joy:


confusion:


disappointment:


reading the album title with you:


and 2 AM:

evenslow wrote:The general point is that the production of S/T got in the way of what could have been a very raw and more agressive guitar attack. So, it really doesn't matter what clips we talk about in the end.

You're "2 AM" is a really solid, late period look that often takes people by surprise.

harmless wrote:

WtOB? wrote:I've never understood the closed hats in Severed Hand either, especially when the big riff first kicks in. It's so anti-climactic. I can forgive it in You Are, it doesn't have the same energy and it's his song so let him go.

Yup. The closed hats on the intro, particularly, are really hard to explain.

McParadigm wrote:

evenslow wrote:The general point is that the production of S/T got in the way of what could have been a very raw and more agressive guitar attack. So, it really doesn't matter what clips we talk about in the end.

I wouldn't dare to disagree with this. It's a terrible sounding record. It should literally be next to impossible to make something that fucked up sounding in even a midrange home studio.

You're "2 AM" is a really solid, late period look that often takes people by surprise.

It would be nice to get such a thing from Pearl Jam.

Interestingly enough, Magic suffers from almost exactly the same frequency problems as S/T. No space between instruments, the low end is mud, the guitars are often EQ'd into a feeling of being "sharp," the dynamics are compressed into nothingness....and it was mastered by the same team, not long after s/t was.

McParadigm wrote:With Bruce, he's a lot more involved in the mastering process, and he seems to favor that brittle, sharp sound (The River, Born in the USA). There's been speculation that he has some loss of hearing in the range that produces that.

In both cases, I'd lean toward blaming Bob Ludwig, but I don't think s/t even has a mastering credit listed on the sleeve. If I'm remembering right.

Boing wrote:I would piss my pants if the next part to that song, Matt gets all smashy crashy flashy on that shit, even headbutting some of em... just saying.

harmless wrote:

Boing wrote:I would piss my pants if the next part to that song, Matt gets all smashy crashy flashy on that shit, even headbutting some of em... just saying.

The good news is that in the other video clip that I also saw of the song intro (I can't remember where, but it was posted here), there was a section with just hats and rim-shots. That suggests that there is some build-up from quiet to loud in that intro. I'm hoping he lets loose at some point in the song, even if it's just the latter part. There might be a fucking awesome smashy thrashy instrumental section.