Red Mosquito

BurtReynolds wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:But what's the real argument, guys?

I just told you lol

BurtReynolds wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

digster wrote:Is that argument even hidden? I thought people were pretty clear that they didn't think there should be public monuments to people who tried to break up the country so they could keep black people enslaved.

I don't have an issue with statues or monuments that do things like list confederate war dead at a battlefield and I don't see a reason to blow up Stone Mountain, but all those statues that were put up in the middle of the 20th century that so many people pretend are relics from Reconstruction... those can come down.*

*via civil means, not the mob

Why? What business is it of yours? Who cares if they're relics or not? Those are probably the least likely to have been built by racists.

digster wrote:I'm not sure I understand what Burt is trying to argue here. He's decrying a hidden argument that's plainly not hidden.

Rob wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Is the joke that their aren't any? Because, yeah that's what I was getting at. Outsiders don't think there is an acceptable monument possible, so this is all just sophistry and hiding the real argument.

Outsiders? Hiding the argument? Aren't many of us Americans debating the argument right now? Is it controversial to say we shouldn't commemorate the confederacy with monuments & statues? Put that shit in a museum and take a pilgrimage if you want to honor them. Shouldn't be on display in public.

digster wrote:In all honesty, though; does this argument happen in other countries? I've often asked this without finding one. Are there monuments scattered around government buildings and public spaces for the IRA in Northern Ireland? There's no one-to-one comparisons, but does this debate even happen anywhere else?

BurtReynolds wrote:

digster wrote:In all honesty, though; does this argument happen in other countries? I've often asked this without finding one. Are there monuments scattered around government buildings and public spaces for the IRA in Northern Ireland? There's no one-to-one comparisons, but does this debate even happen anywhere else?

Why do you think that is?

digster wrote:In all honesty, though; does this argument happen in other countries? I've often asked this without finding one. Are there monuments scattered around government buildings and public spaces for the IRA in Northern Ireland? There's no one-to-one comparisons, but does this debate even happen anywhere else?

Old letters from Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee reveal the commander of the confederate army during the American Civil War opposed symbols, such as the monuments to Confederate figures that protesters are calling to be removed — and in some cases, removing themselves.

Lee fought to preserve the institution of slavery, but one letter written after the Civil War in 1866, addressed to Gen. Thomas L. Rosser shows Lee opposed the erection of Confederate monuments, symbols he said would keep division alive.

Lee’s letters said that while he would be grateful for such a gesture, these symbols would slow the country instead of “accelerating its accomplishment; & of continuing, if not adding to, the difficulties under which the Southern people labour.”

Years later, when invited to a Gettysburg memorial, Lee declined.

He said it was wiser “not to keep open the sores of war but to follow the examples of those nations who endeavored to obliterate the marks of civil strife.”

BurtReynolds wrote:

digster wrote:In all honesty, though; does this argument happen in other countries? I've often asked this without finding one. Are there monuments scattered around government buildings and public spaces for the IRA in Northern Ireland? There's no one-to-one comparisons, but does this debate even happen anywhere else?

Why do you think that is?

Strat wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

Strat wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

Strat wrote:i wonder who hates antifa more? burt or trump?

Oh me easily. Trump still thinks he can score points off them.

You're safe, burt. I promise you.

But are the cops in Minnesota hoping for a fair trial safe?

are you actually suggesting here that the cops wont be getting a fair trial?? lol

BurtReynolds wrote: The memorials went up as a lure to get the south to willingly assimilate.

This strategy worked. Once this was no longer necessary, ie. after any lingering southern identity or culture outside of what is allowed by the U.S.government is weakened enough, they come down.

None of you understand power. It's like my teachings have fallen on deaf ears.

Bi_3 wrote:

Strat wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

Strat wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

Strat wrote:i wonder who hates antifa more? burt or trump?

Oh me easily. Trump still thinks he can score points off them.

You're safe, burt. I promise you.

But are the cops in Minnesota hoping for a fair trial safe?

are you actually suggesting here that the cops wont be getting a fair trial?? lol

That is the state's Attorney General and his son is leading the call to disband the city police department from the city council. So no, I'm not suggesting that, but I doubt the state will want to risk an acquittal and further protests.

Rob wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote: The memorials went up as a lure to get the south to willingly assimilate.

I assume you're just trolling here.

This strategy worked. Once this was no longer necessary, ie. after any lingering southern identity or culture outside of what is allowed by the U.S.government is weakened enough, they come down.

Looks to me like they're coming down when large groups of protesters decide they've had enough.

None of you understand power. It's like my teachings have fallen on deaf ears.

See above.