Red Mosquito

theplatypus wrote:So this is kind of a flop. What happens now?

http://www.polygon.com/2016/7/18/122119 ... equel-sony

After pulling in nearly $46 million at the box office, making it one of the top-grossing live-action comedies in years, Sony executives are looking to capitalize on the success of Ghostbusters and plans are in the works for a sequel.

President of worldwide distribution at Sony, Rory Bruer, told The Wrap he expects the revamped Ghostbusters to become a very important franchise within the studio, adding that the Ghostbusters world was "alive and well."

That's disingenuous. It fell pretty dramatically in its second week and had fairly weak showings internationally (didn't even come out in China) on a $144 million dollar budget (plus its astronomical marketing costs). It's just a ridiculously expensive movie, and it'll be a while before it makes a profit. If they do make a sequel, they'll surely have to scale back considerably on the production cost and rethink their marketing approach.

Eh, most of the marketing was to get back in front of eyeballs and now that's accomplished they just have to keep from screwing the pooch.

Well, any more than usual.

theplatypus wrote:That's disingenuous. It fell pretty dramatically in its second week and had fairly weak showings internationally (didn't even come out in China) on a $144 million dollar budget (plus its astronomical marketing costs). It's just a ridiculously expensive movie, and it'll be a while before it makes a profit. If they do make a sequel, they'll surely have to scale back considerably on the production cost and rethink their marketing approach.

$144 million, production only? Good grief. Dont they need like $500 million gross just to break even?

You're all neglecting how important this film is

I just hope women are allowed to be in movies again after this fiasco

Rangi Guy wrote:You're all neglecting how important this film is

How many times do you suppose Kenneth Anger said exactly this sentence, over the course of his life?

theplatypus wrote:I just hope women are allowed to be in movies again after this fiasco

We still have Oceans Elefemme to come.

Maybe multiple hundred million dollar comedy remakes are a bad idea.

theplatypus wrote:I just hope women are allowed to be in movies again after this fiasco

VinylGuy wrote:oh Joey is going to be pissed...

Also, I havent seen the movie yet.

Nah, not even a little bit.

Strat wrote:Joey hasn't said anything. I hope we are still lovers

Of course we are!

It's gonna take a lot more than disagreeing about a dumb comedy to tear us apart.

Goddamn i still have to see this movie.

Strat wrote:Joey, Im really sorry. I do think you are vastly overstating the importance of this film for women, much like LV vastly overstated the cultural importance of Batman V Superman. They are wonderful comics and hilarious women and talented actors, albeit one trick ponies, but I didnt get the sense that these women were changing the role of women in modern cinema. Also, they did just hire the secretary because he was hot and they were drooling over him.

This is a tricky thing for me to talk about in a coherent way. And I'm not sure why. But it's not that the movie itself is a feminist manifesto. Or that it set out to change minds and advance women. The women in the movie probably didn't sit there and think what they were doing was anything greater than what they were doing: trying to tell some jokes and make a fucking Ghostbusters movie.

The movie won't change lives. The movie won't change Hollywood by itself. It's clear from the regularity of this conversation that it missed. The trick of it is, I'm not sure it knew it was even aiming.

As far as the last sentence you posted up there goes, that's part of the point. It's a classic example of turning shit on its head. But the revolutionary part comes from the fact that none of the women sleep with him, actively try to sleep with him, cry in a pint of ice cream because they can't sleep with him, wear fewer closes around him to seduce him, dumb themselves down to gain access to him, bend who they are to please a man. That's the shit that we see time and time and time again from women in comedies. It's not one thing they are doing or one thing the film is doing, it's the total of the parts. They avoid so many usual tropes, things that are so much a part of cinema that we (men especially) don't even notice them anymore and/or don't think of them as troublesome.

The fact that women are saying they've never seen other women represented on film this way before is huge. And shouldn't be understated. I wish the movie had been better. I wish the movie had made more money. It's not enough to show women differently on screen, you have to make money doing it or else Hollywood isn't going to get the message.

I appreciated what the movie did and I laughed my ass off. And I wanted to watch it again as soon as I got home. Maybe it won't hold up well over time. But I really enjoyed it. Anyone who disagrees with me isn't wrong, they just disagree. And that's totally fine.

I'm glad you spent the money to see it in theaters, buddy. Sorry you didn't like it more.

closes

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closes

I don't always know what they mean but I have a pretty unhealthy love for your one word responses.

durdencommatyler wrote:I don't always know what they mean but I have a pretty unhealthy love for your one word responses.

Put some goddamn closes on and let's go show some women who've never seen women portrayed like this before Silence of the Lambs, Alien 3 and 4, and Kill Bill, as a start.

McParadigm wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:I don't always know what they mean but I have a pretty unhealthy love for your one word responses.

Put some goddamn closes on and let's go show some women who've never seen women portrayed like this before Silence of the Lambs, Alien 3 and 4, and Kill Bill, as a start.

Interesting examples of stong female characters, to be sure. But again, this also has a lot to do with the way women traditionally interact with each other in film. Then there's the sexualization of women on film. Then there's women as plot devices instead of plot movers. Then there are women who can be strong but must also be severly damaged. And then there are women that need men to complete their journey or mission or overcome or whatever. But Ghostbusters is just a stupid movie and women complain too much and why can't everyone just hate that the movie exists and move the fuck on?