Red Mosquito

dimejinky99 wrote:If the night king et al breach the wall, will he and his forces melt in the relative heat?
I can see him making it at least near to kings landing unless all sides band together against him. (Unlikely).
He has a dragon. How will his forces keep up with him? GOT teleportation aside he would arrive on the dragon long before his forces no?

The White Walkers bring the cold with them (unless it is to re-freeze a lake ).

Monkey_Driven wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:If the night king et al breach the wall, will he and his forces melt in the relative heat?
I can see him making it at least near to kings landing unless all sides band together against him. (Unlikely).
He has a dragon. How will his forces keep up with him? GOT teleportation aside he would arrive on the dragon long before his forces no?

The White Walkers bring the cold with them (unless it is to re-freeze a lake ).

The frozen lake thing is taken from a rumor of

Spoiler: show

how Stannis will defeat the Boltons in TWOW. I guess D&D thought it was cool enough to bring to the show, but didn't think it through any further than that.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:If the night king et al breach the wall, will he and his forces melt in the relative heat?
I can see him making it at least near to kings landing unless all sides band together against him. (Unlikely).
He has a dragon. How will his forces keep up with him? GOT teleportation aside he would arrive on the dragon long before his forces no?

The White Walkers bring the cold with them (unless it is to re-freeze a lake ).

The frozen lake thing is taken from a rumor of

Spoiler: show

how Stannis will defeat the Boltons in TWOW. I guess D&D thought it was cool enough to bring to the show, but didn't think it through any further than that.

I hadn't heard that rumor. Pretty cool, if true. Do you think Jon will factor into that battle at all in the book, being dead and all?

Monkey_Driven wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:If the night king et al breach the wall, will he and his forces melt in the relative heat?
I can see him making it at least near to kings landing unless all sides band together against him. (Unlikely).
He has a dragon. How will his forces keep up with him? GOT teleportation aside he would arrive on the dragon long before his forces no?

The White Walkers bring the cold with them (unless it is to re-freeze a lake ).

The frozen lake thing is taken from a rumor of

Spoiler: show

how Stannis will defeat the Boltons in TWOW. I guess D&D thought it was cool enough to bring to the show, but didn't think it through any further than that.

I hadn't heard that rumor. Pretty cool, if true. Do you think Jon will factor into that battle at all in the book, being dead and all?

Spoiler: show

I have no idea.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:If the night king et al breach the wall, will he and his forces melt in the relative heat?
I can see him making it at least near to kings landing unless all sides band together against him. (Unlikely).
He has a dragon. How will his forces keep up with him? GOT teleportation aside he would arrive on the dragon long before his forces no?

The White Walkers bring the cold with them (unless it is to re-freeze a lake ).

The frozen lake thing is taken from a rumor of

Spoiler: show

how Stannis will defeat the Boltons in TWOW. I guess D&D thought it was cool enough to bring to the show, but didn't think it through any further than that.

I hadn't heard that rumor. Pretty cool, if true. Do you think Jon will factor into that battle at all in the book, being dead and all?

Spoiler: show

I have no idea.

Should we take it to the book thread?

Monkey_Driven wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:If the night king et al breach the wall, will he and his forces melt in the relative heat?
I can see him making it at least near to kings landing unless all sides band together against him. (Unlikely).
He has a dragon. How will his forces keep up with him? GOT teleportation aside he would arrive on the dragon long before his forces no?

The White Walkers bring the cold with them (unless it is to re-freeze a lake ).

The frozen lake thing is taken from a rumor of

Spoiler: show

how Stannis will defeat the Boltons in TWOW. I guess D&D thought it was cool enough to bring to the show, but didn't think it through any further than that.

I hadn't heard that rumor. Pretty cool, if true. Do you think Jon will factor into that battle at all in the book, being dead and all?

Spoiler: show

I have no idea.

Should we take it to the book thread?

If you'd like to continue, yes.

Monkey_Driven wrote:

stip wrote:who did something that was particularly out of character? If anything I think the show took steps to ensure there were proper character motivations. Maybe Dany flying north to save Jon could be a stretch, but they had Jorah return and take that journey to provide further motivation.

I think you just answered your own question. Why would Jorah spend all that time and go through all that pain to essentially say hi and bye to Dany. Then go on a suicide mission north of the wall with a bunch of dudes he's never met for a really dumb reason?

Jorah is slavishly devoted to her. As long as he thinks he is serving her I can see him being find with this. Given the greyscale recovery he may be looking at his life as something borrowed anyway. This all seemed in character. Having dany actually accompany them to the wall feels a bit more of a stretch, tbh, though it would have helped tremendously with the time problem.

Slavishly devoted? He was still selling her out as late as Qarth.

slavishly devoted since the point he became slavishly devoted. Quarth was a long time ago

cutuphalfdead wrote:Slavishly devoted? He was still selling her out as late as Qarth.

How is he not?

Qarth was post Dragon birth and surviving the funeral pyre. Any betrayal after that is completely unforgivable and undercuts any display of devotion.

Even after seeing her survive the fire and her dragons born, he still would rather get a pardon from the Usurper than serve her.

basically, fuck jorah mormont

Bi_3 wrote:

solid

EJ wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

solid

I chuckled.

BurtReynolds wrote:I already forgot, but what was her motivation for flying up there anyway? They already told her they were going into almost certain death. She didn't care enough to go before, why did she care now?

Remember the convo with Tyrion about all the dudes that want to hit that? Jorah and Jon were amoungst them. She realized Jon partially motivated by love.

Spoiler: show

Plus, after her dragon liked him, she's a total Snow bunny.

Spoiler: show

#TaketheBlack.

cutuphalfdead wrote:Even after seeing her survive the fire and her dragons born, he still would rather get a pardon from the Usurper than serve her.

He was a complicated man at that point searching for purpose in his life. He longed for a home he had to abandon because of his wife's expensive tastes. He was caught between that and finding a new home/purpose in something more real than the romanticized version of his home.

Mecca wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:Even after seeing her survive the fire and her dragons born, he still would rather get a pardon from the Usurper than serve her.

He was a complicated man at that point searching for purpose in his life. He longed for a home he had to abandon because of his wife's expensive tastes. He was caught between that and finding a new home/purpose in something more real than the romanticized version of his home.

Exactly. He was more devoted to the idea of going home than he was devoted to Dany.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

Mecca wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:Even after seeing her survive the fire and her dragons born, he still would rather get a pardon from the Usurper than serve her.

He was a complicated man at that point searching for purpose in his life. He longed for a home he had to abandon because of his wife's expensive tastes. He was caught between that and finding a new home/purpose in something more real than the romanticized version of his home.

Exactly. He was more devoted to the idea of going home than he was devoted to Dany.

But it's very obvious which way he went and you're thicker than the wall if you think he's not devoted to her