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Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Tue September 05, 2017 6:58 pm
by Strat
Does he hate Obama that much?

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Tue September 05, 2017 7:35 pm
by malice
Strat wrote:Does he hate Obama that much?
*not rich people

and the answer is yes

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Tue September 05, 2017 7:42 pm
by digster
Strat wrote:Does he hate Obama that much?
I think it's more about staying in office; this isn't a particularly popular initiative throughout the country, but he needs to keep his base to have any shot. And either this is what his base wants, or this is what he perceives his base wants.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Tue September 05, 2017 7:42 pm
by run2death
This is beyond the pale. Trump is such a fucking despicable person.

I can't believe any rational person would support this. Even my conservative, redneck kinfolk are appalled.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Tue September 05, 2017 7:47 pm
by Bi_3
Trumps bodyguard just left. This could be the break Mueller needs... surprising this hasn't gotten more coverage.


Also Baron goes to school in my area and the police presence was insane this morning.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Tue September 05, 2017 8:09 pm
by BurtReynolds
digster wrote:
Strat wrote:Does he hate Obama that much?
I think it's more about staying in office; this isn't a particularly popular initiative throughout the country, but he needs to keep his base to have any shot. And either this is what his base wants, or this is what he perceives his base wants.
I think he's just really anti immigration and does anti-immigration things (after winning an election where he campaigned on being anti-immigration).

The guy is no strategist.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Tue September 05, 2017 9:02 pm
by Wendy Carlos's Twin
run2death wrote:This is beyond the pale. Trump is such a fucking despicable person.

I can't believe any rational person would support this. Even my conservative, redneck kinfolk are appalled.
Really? All the posts that I see on facebook are people with American Flag and Jesus avatars saying, "Good! Send them back!"

The wacko is strong right now. You can't fight Satan.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Tue September 05, 2017 11:37 pm
by McParadigm
BurtReynolds wrote:
digster wrote:
Strat wrote:Does he hate Obama that much?
I think it's more about staying in office; this isn't a particularly popular initiative throughout the country, but he needs to keep his base to have any shot. And either this is what his base wants, or this is what he perceives his base wants.
I think he's just really anti immigration and does anti-immigration things (after winning an election where he campaigned on being anti-immigration).

The guy is no strategist.
Once again Burt cuts right to the heart of it.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Tue September 05, 2017 11:56 pm
by bune
That reminds me of a conversation I had a year ago: There's a guy here who is pro-Trump because of the immigration thing. Whatever, good for him. Except he's married to an immigrant, his wife is Pilipino and could potentially be deported. He wasn't concerned about that, just wanted the immigrants gone.

I think a divorce is easier than ruining a country, my man.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed September 06, 2017 12:32 am
by BurtReynolds
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Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed September 06, 2017 12:37 am
by wease
McParadigm wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
digster wrote:
Strat wrote:Does he hate Obama that much?
I think it's more about staying in office; this isn't a particularly popular initiative throughout the country, but he needs to keep his base to have any shot. And either this is what his base wants, or this is what he perceives his base wants.
I think he's just really anti immigration and does anti-immigration things (after winning an election where he campaigned on being anti-immigration).

The guy is no strategist.
Once again Burt cuts right to the heart of it.
If they're married, doesn't that mean she can stay?

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed September 06, 2017 12:54 am
by B
BurtReynolds wrote:Image
Fake! No way Trump would let Christie into his boat.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed September 06, 2017 1:19 am
by 96583UP
BurtReynolds wrote:
digster wrote:
Strat wrote:Does he hate Obama that much?
I think it's more about staying in office; this isn't a particularly popular initiative throughout the country, but he needs to keep his base to have any shot. And either this is what his base wants, or this is what he perceives his base wants.
I think he's just really anti non-white immigration and does anti non-white immigration things (after winning an election where he campaigned on being an ignorant shithead that treats non-whites like dogshit).

The guy is a seasoned analrapist.
FTFY

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed September 06, 2017 1:47 am
by Bi_3
wease wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
digster wrote:
Strat wrote:Does he hate Obama that much?
I think it's more about staying in office; this isn't a particularly popular initiative throughout the country, but he needs to keep his base to have any shot. And either this is what his base wants, or this is what he perceives his base wants.
I think he's just really anti immigration and does anti-immigration things (after winning an election where he campaigned on being anti-immigration).

The guy is no strategist.
Once again Burt cuts right to the heart of it.
If they're married, doesn't that mean she can stay?
Non-citizens can serve. That's what makes this one particularly fucked up

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed September 06, 2017 1:51 am
by Bi_3
Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:
run2death wrote:This is beyond the pale. Trump is such a fucking despicable person.

I can't believe any rational person would support this. Even my conservative, redneck kinfolk are appalled.
Really? All the posts that I see on facebook are people with American Flag and Jesus avatars saying, "Good! Send them back!"

The wacko is strong right now. You can't fight Satan.
Image

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed September 06, 2017 1:55 am
by 96583UP
Bi_3 wrote:
Non-citizens can serve. That's what makes this one particularly fucked up
that's completely fucked up

i can't even

this fucking country

maybe after 12 more hurricanes pound the life out of the east coast and plunge the country into recession they will want to be deported to mexico to live in peace on a drug farm harvesting coca and marihuana by donkeyback in the beaming fresh sun of the mountains surrounded by dancing and singing and frijoles con arroz y pollo with sombreros and abuelita and chimichangas and fresh coffee beans and grilled whole fish and cerveza mas fina and bright illuminating blankets and futbol and tiny cars and el guapo

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed September 06, 2017 2:22 am
by McParadigm
LA Times wrote:President Trump’s decision to rescind a popular program that protected the most sympathetic of immigrants here illegally — those who were brought as children by their parents — poses a huge threat to his party, forcing Republican lawmakers to choose between the party’s nativist wing, which strongly opposes any move resembling amnesty, and those who favor a more flexible approach to minority communities.

The terms Trump set out give Republicans in Congress six months to pass a measure to protect those currently covered by the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, known as DACA, which was enacted under executive authority by President Obama.

But Congress has been unable for years to come up with immigration reforms, in large part because of divisions within Republican ranks, which sank immigration reform efforts under Presidents Obama and George W. Bush.

The worst-case scenario for many GOP lawmakers: If Congress stalls again, next year’s midterm election campaigns could be accompanied by thousands of young people each week being fired from their jobs or kicked out of school, and ultimately by some being deported to countries they have not seen since they were toddlers.

Some Republican strategists fear that revoking DACA could repeat on a national scale the damage Republicans in California incurred by supporting Proposition 187. That 1994 measure aimed at immigrants living in the U.S. illegally turned the California party from one that was competitive, and often victorious, in statewide elections to nearly an afterthought, disdained not only by Latinos but many moderate white voters.


Countering those fears are warnings by other Republicans that legislation to renew DACA would be the biggest grant of amnesty to immigrants here illegally since the Reagan administration. Passage of a legalization bill by a Republican Congress would deeply alienate many conservatives, they argued. Already, some were critical of Trump for not canceling the program outright.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed September 06, 2017 3:03 pm
by digster
BurtReynolds wrote:
digster wrote:
Strat wrote:Does he hate Obama that much?
I think it's more about staying in office; this isn't a particularly popular initiative throughout the country, but he needs to keep his base to have any shot. And either this is what his base wants, or this is what he perceives his base wants.
I think he's just really anti immigration and does anti-immigration things (after winning an election where he campaigned on being anti-immigration).

The guy is no strategist.
My point wasn't necessarily that this is something he doesn't want to do, but there is certainly strategy here that wasn't there at all in, for example, the original rollout of the Muslim ban, where he just did it and a shitshow ensued. The six-month delay and his continuous kicking the can to Congress, whether or not it was his own idea, allows him to say to the majority of the country that agrees with DACA that it's Congress' fault it's gone, while saying to his base that he was able to get rid of the immigrants.

It's meant more to be a commentary on the base than on Trump's own thinking; DACA seemed to be a line in the sand for them in a way some other things have not been.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed September 06, 2017 3:16 pm
by bune
wease wrote:
If they're married, doesn't that mean she can stay?
They're deporting people who are US citizens so why not.

Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump

Posted: Wed September 06, 2017 4:59 pm
by McParadigm
lol