Red Mosquito

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:Who had the more hollow character arc, Theon or Littlefinger?

durdencommatyler wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

malice wrote:Theon being forgiven - dumb
Theon beating up Euron - dumb
Theon rallying the men with "for Yara! " etc - dumb
basically Theon's entire storyline once he escaped from Ramsey - dumb

I continue to believe they essentially destroyed character development and storylines for the sake of really cool dragon destroying shit footage

for the love of god mary please read the books

I missed mary's post earlier so I'm gonna respond to this post.

Mary, fuck the books.

Also, you're 1,000% right about Theon on the show. It was all so completely fucking dumb. It killed all the momentum the episode had built up to that point and I don't know that it ever totally got it back.

Greedo wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

malice wrote:Theon being forgiven - dumb
Theon beating up Euron - dumb
Theon rallying the men with "for Yara! " etc - dumb
basically Theon's entire storyline once he escaped from Ramsey - dumb

I continue to believe they essentially destroyed character development and storylines for the sake of really cool dragon destroying shit footage

for the love of god mary please read the books

I missed mary's post earlier so I'm gonna respond to this post.

Mary, fuck the books.

Also, you're 1,000% right about Theon on the show. It was all so completely fucking dumb. It killed all the momentum the episode had built up to that point and I don't know that it ever totally got it back.

Yeah that scene with Jon could have been done as a conversation in passing. "Jon, listen, I'm sorry. Your family has been good to me but I've gotta try to save my sister like she did for me".

"Fine, I'm still kinda pissed at you but I get it and I forgive you. Go get your sister".

I wanted more Cersei/Tyrion though

tragabigzanda wrote:Who had the more hollow character arc, Theon or Littlefinger?

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:Who had the more hollow character arc, Theon or Littlefinger?

Define hollow.

A lot of wandering around and machinations and ploys for intrigue, all to amount to a hill of beans.

Theon: Ward of Winterfell, wishes to reconnect and empower his own family, betrays the Starks, gets tortured ad nauseam, helps Sansa escape, is otherwise a broken shell of a human just ripe for some redemption, gets kicked in the nuts and becomes a warrior. That's a long and messy journey for an abrupt turn of face. You could tell me that kick to the nuts was the straw that broke the back, but that's a big stretch I think.

Littlefinger: scheming, scheming, scheming, scheming, scheming, scheming, dead. I guess this is fine, if his entire character was ultimately just a plot device to repeatedly set bigger things in motion. I just wish they didn't get Mayor Carcetti to play him with such a stupid voice.

tragabigzanda wrote:

malice wrote:Sansa turning the meeting into an opportunity to accuse and pass judgement on little finger was the only real surprise of the season for me. The ice dragon stuff is all kind of meh for me

Ha, yeah it was a surprise because the show did everything in its power to mislead you. His death was satisfying to watch, but the viewer's route there was a bunch of horseshit.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:Who had the more hollow character arc, Theon or Littlefinger?

Define hollow.

A lot of wandering around and machinations and ploys for intrigue, all to amount to a hill of beans.

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:

malice wrote:Sansa turning the meeting into an opportunity to accuse and pass judgement on little finger was the only real surprise of the season for me. The ice dragon stuff is all kind of meh for me

Ha, yeah it was a surprise because the show did everything in its power to mislead you. His death was satisfying to watch, but the viewer's route there was a bunch of horseshit.

tragabigzanda wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:Who had the more hollow character arc, Theon or Littlefinger?

Define hollow.

A lot of wandering around and machinations and ploys for intrigue, all to amount to a hill of beans.

Ah. Then I would say neither of them based on your definition.

You're especially fiery today, ain't ya?

Chris_H_2 wrote:Pete, what do you prefer, the books or the show?

Steve Albini wrote:Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

tragabigzanda wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

malice wrote:Sansa turning the meeting into an opportunity to accuse and pass judgement on little finger was the only real surprise of the season for me. The ice dragon stuff is all kind of meh for me

Ha, yeah it was a surprise because the show did everything in its power to mislead you. His death was satisfying to watch, but the viewer's route there was a bunch of horseshit.

Respectfully disagree.

I had multiple conversations with people about how Arya was behaving strangely and that something was up. A lot of folks picked up on small clues, even if they didn't see this particular thing coming. My co-worker and I talked about it in the afternoon and then I had a separate conversation with my wife, that she initiated, about the same thing. It was clear they were up to something.

This was discussed a bit on RM too. It wasn't a surprise at all; it was more of a "Are they actually going to go this route, and do it this poorly?" Or that was my experience anyway. There was just not much to savor about it.