Red Mosquito

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

bluestate wrote:

tree_ wrote:They have the talent but for some unknown reason they're not applying it.

I'm 99.9% sure that this is not how they see it. This is the music they want to be making and they are very excited about it and proud of it, as they are with every new album they release. This all boils down to what music always comes down to in the end... it's a matter of personal preference. This is what they prefer to make right now, regardless of talent or ability. And, unfortunately, regardless of what we'd like to hear from them.

You can call this song the work of "applying talent" with a straight face? Listen to Spoonman and tell me Matt is at all trying on this song.

Spoonman has the entire band committing to an odd time-signature and more groove-metal chug than you can shake a stick at; Matt is still just "playing along" to it, nothing more, it's just that the bones of the song are more complex

Ms Harmless wrote:

DeeDee wrote:They're mediocre when they write fun/happy songs, they just are.

They become an average band when they take the Supersonic/Olé/Hitchhiker route, but they keep taking it over and over again.

Nobody will become a fan of PJ after listening to SBWM. Where did Brain of J, Life Wasted or Hail, Hail go? Those were good, honest rock songs, and they were really good at writing them. Even Getaway o Gonna see my friend are above average.

But this fun/happy PJ is turning ugly really quick.

I'd take this over Getaway, GSMF and Life Wasted (apart from the bridge, that's gold)

VinylGuy wrote:i like the ¨mess aspect¨of this one. And boy, does it sounds good...Seems the album is going to sounds pretty amazing....but the song its just ok, its not interesting or special. Some cool moments, the solo and thats about it.

DeeDee wrote:Songs - Times played live

Supersonic - 19 times
Olé - 13 times
Hitchhiker - 1 time
Get right - 17 times
Big Wave - 30 times
Johnny Guitar - 17 times
Let the records play - 21 times

They.
Don't.
Work.

Period.

DeeDee wrote:Songs - Times played live

Supersonic - 19 times
Olé - 13 times
Hitchhiker - 1 time
Get right - 17 times
Big Wave - 30 times
Johnny Guitar - 17 times
Let the records play - 21 times

They.
Don't.
Work.

Period.

DeeDee wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

DeeDee wrote:They're mediocre when they write fun/happy songs, they just are.

They become an average band when they take the Supersonic/Olé/Hitchhiker route, but they keep taking it over and over again.

Nobody will become a fan of PJ after listening to SBWM. Where did Brain of J, Life Wasted or Hail, Hail go? Those were good, honest rock songs, and they were really good at writing them. Even Getaway o Gonna see my friend are above average.

But this fun/happy PJ is turning ugly really quick.

I'd take this over Getaway, GSMF and Life Wasted (apart from the bridge, that's gold)

Life Wasted live is a killer. Way better song than the new one, I think.

theplatypus wrote:

DeeDee wrote:I mean, don't they see the reaction of the crowd when they play this kind of songs?

As much as this song sucks, this should not be a factor to consider when writing songs

EJ wrote:

VinylGuy wrote:i like the ¨mess aspect¨of this one. And boy, does it sounds good...Seems the album is going to sounds pretty amazing....but the song its just ok, its not interesting or special. Some cool moments, the solo and thats about it.

but...the solo also sucks and is completely left field in this song.

theplatypus wrote:

DeeDee wrote:Songs - Times played live

Supersonic - 19 times
Olé - 13 times
Hitchhiker - 1 time
Get right - 17 times
Big Wave - 30 times
Johnny Guitar - 17 times
Let the records play - 21 times

They.
Don't.
Work.

Period.

Pearl Jam have never played their best song, "Olympic Platinum", live. This destroys your stupid argument

DeeDee wrote:

theplatypus wrote:

DeeDee wrote:I mean, don't they see the reaction of the crowd when they play this kind of songs?

As much as this song sucks, this should not be a factor to consider when writing songs

I think it should be. They're a live band, and they have to think about how the songs translate to their live shows when they record them.

I don't know how you can put out a single that won't be played live more than 25 times. You should be excited to play your new material live, and hope people love it.

DeeDee wrote:

theplatypus wrote:

DeeDee wrote:I mean, don't they see the reaction of the crowd when they play this kind of songs?

As much as this song sucks, this should not be a factor to consider when writing songs

I think it should be. They're a live band, and they have to think about how the songs translate to their live shows when they record them.

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

bluestate wrote:

tree_ wrote:They have the talent but for some unknown reason they're not applying it.

I'm 99.9% sure that this is not how they see it. This is the music they want to be making and they are very excited about it and proud of it, as they are with every new album they release. This all boils down to what music always comes down to in the end... it's a matter of personal preference. This is what they prefer to make right now, regardless of talent or ability. And, unfortunately, regardless of what we'd like to hear from them.

You can call this song the work of "applying talent" with a straight face? Listen to Spoonman and tell me Matt is at all trying on this song.

Spoonman has the entire band committing to an odd time-signature and more groove-metal chug than you can shake a stick at; Matt is still just "playing along" to it, nothing more, it's just that the bones of the song are more complex

I disagree, the drums in that song feel great. Maybe not the best example of Matt's ability, .. but it is also a "fun" song, which is why I pointed to it. Matt sounds like he's enjoying himself in it, at least.

Ms Harmless wrote:

DeeDee wrote:Songs - Times played live

Supersonic - 19 times
Olé - 13 times
Hitchhiker - 1 time
Get right - 17 times
Big Wave - 30 times
Johnny Guitar - 17 times
Let the records play - 21 times

They.
Don't.
Work.

Period.

what's this list demonstrating?

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

bluestate wrote:

tree_ wrote:They have the talent but for some unknown reason they're not applying it.

I'm 99.9% sure that this is not how they see it. This is the music they want to be making and they are very excited about it and proud of it, as they are with every new album they release. This all boils down to what music always comes down to in the end... it's a matter of personal preference. This is what they prefer to make right now, regardless of talent or ability. And, unfortunately, regardless of what we'd like to hear from them.

You can call this song the work of "applying talent" with a straight face? Listen to Spoonman and tell me Matt is at all trying on this song.

Spoonman has the entire band committing to an odd time-signature and more groove-metal chug than you can shake a stick at; Matt is still just "playing along" to it, nothing more, it's just that the bones of the song are more complex

I disagree, the drums in that song feel great. Maybe not the best example of Matt's ability, .. but it is also a "fun" song, which is why I pointed to it. Matt sounds like he's enjoying himself in it, at least.

I didn't say the drums don't "feel great", they really do; but that's largely because every other instrument is locking into a groove and enhancing them

EJ wrote:

DeeDee wrote:

theplatypus wrote:

DeeDee wrote:I mean, don't they see the reaction of the crowd when they play this kind of songs?

As much as this song sucks, this should not be a factor to consider when writing songs

I think it should be. They're a live band, and they have to think about how the songs translate to their live shows when they record them.

That is a terrible approach for writing music.

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

bluestate wrote:

tree_ wrote:They have the talent but for some unknown reason they're not applying it.

I'm 99.9% sure that this is not how they see it. This is the music they want to be making and they are very excited about it and proud of it, as they are with every new album they release. This all boils down to what music always comes down to in the end... it's a matter of personal preference. This is what they prefer to make right now, regardless of talent or ability. And, unfortunately, regardless of what we'd like to hear from them.

You can call this song the work of "applying talent" with a straight face? Listen to Spoonman and tell me Matt is at all trying on this song.

Spoonman has the entire band committing to an odd time-signature and more groove-metal chug than you can shake a stick at; Matt is still just "playing along" to it, nothing more, it's just that the bones of the song are more complex

I disagree, the drums in that song feel great. Maybe not the best example of Matt's ability, .. but it is also a "fun" song, which is why I pointed to it. Matt sounds like he's enjoying himself in it, at least.

I didn't say the drums don't "feel great", they really do; but that's largely because every other instrument is locking into a groove and enhancing them

So maybe this demonstrates that Matt is at his best when the band around him is actually applying their talents. And when they don't, he's a click track.

Ms Harmless wrote:"they're a live band" in the sense that they play instruments and tour, like... a band