Red Mosquito

taffer wrote:

96583UP wrote:i like the part when they put it in H

if u're liked some part of that H
there's another part, that you're would have liked for sure [duh]

fk yeah babay

these guys go like 300 hectares on a single tank of kerosene

interesting part 12 min onwards. It was Eddie who wants him to speed up....

I haven't watched the video, but I always suspected it was Eddie that wanted to speed up the slower songs. Sometimes, off he goes, light years, etc.

Making my way thru these spring shows. I’m up to Nashville 2. Ed keeps making all these comments about not knowing when they’d ever get to tour again or play shows together again or whatever. I’m fully of the mind that they knew the DM tour would be Matt’s last before they played the first show last year. What I’m wondering now is what if the band hadn’t decided until the tour was over whether they would move forward without Matt? Maybe that fed into Ed’s comments and the sense of finality the tour had, too.

joostone wrote:

interesting part 12 min onwards. It was Eddie who wants him to speed up....

'i'm old school. i take instructions on tempo from an iPhone'

IIRC Dave Krusen, when he played that one show back in 2022, said Ed told him to speed things up because it's easier on his voice that way.

even more facts to support that Ed has been the problem

but i knew

the TOTD tour showed me all i needed to see

what this band is actually capable of

I never thought it was Matt’s fault the songs were sped up. Did all you Matt haters just think that he speed things up and the band just went along with it without saying anything? Of course it was Ed.

That TotD tour was something. They definitely gelled in a different way and sounded amazing. Wish they’d release those boots

why would Ed say anything if the songs were too fast? plenty of bands play songs too fast in a live setting, it's hardly unique to PJ

I don't think it's JUST the tempo though. Like I just heard a Why Go from January 1992 today on the radio. It was fast, and it was BLAZING. The drums and aggressiveness was SO COOL. My god it was awesome...ESPECIALLY the drums. I don't get it because it's not like they don't still try to play fast aggressive songs (I mean Mind Your manners for example) so I don't really understand. There's just something in matt's playing that takes away from the cool groove of the band. The tempos I dont like, and it's true some of that is probably Ed's fault, but I still think even playing it fast, Matt's drums are missing something.

Why Go is faster than Even Flow anyway, but yeah it's about more than speed; the funky stuff requires lots of subtleties that Matt is very capable of but he just... has a plainer, more unfussy style for some reason; say what you want about Mind Your Manners, stylistically on the drums it's a punk song so only requires energy, not funk; I would argue that Ten doesn't have any songs like that, lots of fast funk but no straight four to the floor just-play-fast punk; arguably they started doing that on RVM, though Dave still did things to that giving it groove (double kicks, off-beat china smashes)

It's Ed's voice I guarantee.

dave was very busy with his kick and hi hat. lots of ghost notes too. Or sometimes not even ghost notes but these rapid fire snare rolls.....it gave it a rock AND roll flavor.

Matt is a bit more straightforward with pearl jam. Straight forward boom chuck and hi hat (also very conservative when using his hi hat to create dynamic changes).

So, thats why a song like Why Go and same intense speed - can sound much different.

Also, stone and mike dont play as intense and loose anymore. It comes with age and not trying to over play. It all adds to the sonic flavoring of a song.

Ms Harmless wrote:Why Go is faster than Even Flow anyway, but yeah it's about more than speed; the funky stuff requires lots of subtleties that Matt is very capable of but he just... has a plainer, more unfussy style for some reason; say what you want about Mind Your Manners, stylistically on the drums it's a punk song so only requires energy, not funk; I would argue that Ten doesn't have any songs like that, lots of fast funk but no straight four to the floor just-play-fast punk; arguably they started doing that on RVM, though Dave still did things to that giving it groove (double kicks, off-beat china smashes)

Great post, I totally hear that

It's not just the tempo, it's a loss of a certain finesse. Matt flattens things out. It's just a different style of drumming. And it changes the song's character. Which version is "better" is a matter of preference, obviously, but they're undeniably different.

26 years of oppression finally over

Spoiler: show

1998 tour sounded great so not counting that one

Jorge wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:Why Go is faster than Even Flow anyway, but yeah it's about more than speed; the funky stuff requires lots of subtleties that Matt is very capable of but he just... has a plainer, more unfussy style for some reason; say what you want about Mind Your Manners, stylistically on the drums it's a punk song so only requires energy, not funk; I would argue that Ten doesn't have any songs like that, lots of fast funk but no straight four to the floor just-play-fast punk; arguably they started doing that on RVM, though Dave still did things to that giving it groove (double kicks, off-beat china smashes)

Great post, I totally hear that

It's not just the tempo, it's a loss of a certain finesse. Matt flattens things out. It's just a different style of drumming. And it changes the song's character. Which version is "better" is a matter of preference, obviously, but they're undeniably different.

finesse is a good way to put it; I like a drumming style with a lot of that, but not everyone does

But also, the songs Matt wrote with the band are some of my favorite of their 21st century output

absolutely

Did anyone else notice that Matt stopped following PJ account on Instagram and he follows every private band member account except Stone?!

Stone is the "problem"!!

Weirdly enough they both follow the official Waffle House account