Red Mosquito

tragabigzanda wrote:Given McCarthy’s recent attempt to compromise around the pending shutdown, I believe the Dems had a moral duty and a nice opportunity to give a little. They own the current embarrassment happening in the House every bit as much as the GOP

Republican Rep. Jim Jordan told GOP colleagues Thursday he will back a temporary U.S. House speaker as he works to shore up support to win the gavel himself.

Jordan delivered the message at a closed door meeting at the Capitol as the Republican majority considered an extraordinary plan to give the interim Speaker Pro-tempore Rep. Patrick McHenry more powers to reopen the House and conduct crucial business.

That’s according to Republicans who attended the private meeting and insisted on anonymity to discuss it.

On Wednesday, Jordan failed in a crucial second ballot, opposed by 22 Republicans, two more than he lost in first-round voting the day before. Many view the Ohio congressman as too extreme for a central seat of U.S. power and resented the harassing hardball tactics from Jordan’s allies for their votes. One lawmaker said they had received death threats.

“We’ll keep talking to members, keep working on it,” Jordan, a founding member of the hard-right Freedom Caucus, said after the vote.

The House came to another abrupt standstill, 16 days now since the sudden ouster of Kevin McCarthy without a speaker — a position of power second in line to the presidency.

“The way out is that Jim Jordan has got to pull his name,” said Rep. Don Bacon, R-Neb., who voted twice against him. “He’s going to have to call it quits.”

tragabigzanda wrote:

The Argonaut wrote:It's unreasonable to ask Dems to go along with any of the nominees the Republicans have yet put forward. McCarthy proved himself untrustworthy. Scalise and Jordan are not moderates in any sense of the word. There are definitely a dozen Democrats who would vote for some moderate Republican, someone who didn't vote to overturn the 2020 election results, someone who has been vocally critical of Trump at least occasionally, someone with a reputation for honesty (oh wait, does this Republican Congressperson even exist?) in exchange for dropping the Biden-impeachment fishing expedition, an immediate vote on George Santos expulsion, and funding for Ukraine.

Hakeem Jeffries would insist on something like co-chairs of committees but I sincerely don't think the Republicans would even need to give up that much to peel off a few Dems in red-purple areas who would be willing to get something for switching. Who gives something for nothing? Why do the Republicans think they are owed something for nothing?

But the Republicans would need to do something, to offer something, to put up someone mildly acceptable before they can make any sort of credible claim that the Democrats are the bad guys because they won't rescue them from themselves. Now it's just disingenuous whinging

The bold part is a core premise where we disagree. I don’t love the dude, but I think he’s pretty politically savvy, and he took a very calculated risk in sticking his neck out a couple weeks ago. Dems should’ve taken the implicit deal.

Peeps wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

The Argonaut wrote:It's unreasonable to ask Dems to go along with any of the nominees the Republicans have yet put forward. McCarthy proved himself untrustworthy. Scalise and Jordan are not moderates in any sense of the word. There are definitely a dozen Democrats who would vote for some moderate Republican, someone who didn't vote to overturn the 2020 election results, someone who has been vocally critical of Trump at least occasionally, someone with a reputation for honesty (oh wait, does this Republican Congressperson even exist?) in exchange for dropping the Biden-impeachment fishing expedition, an immediate vote on George Santos expulsion, and funding for Ukraine.

Hakeem Jeffries would insist on something like co-chairs of committees but I sincerely don't think the Republicans would even need to give up that much to peel off a few Dems in red-purple areas who would be willing to get something for switching. Who gives something for nothing? Why do the Republicans think they are owed something for nothing?

But the Republicans would need to do something, to offer something, to put up someone mildly acceptable before they can make any sort of credible claim that the Democrats are the bad guys because they won't rescue them from themselves. Now it's just disingenuous whinging

The bold part is a core premise where we disagree. I don’t love the dude, but I think he’s pretty politically savvy, and he took a very calculated risk in sticking his neck out a couple weeks ago. Dems should’ve taken the implicit deal.

he had pelosi kicked out of her office space within hours of losing speakerhood. gtfo that he is trustworthy

The Argonaut wrote:It's unreasonable to ask Dems to go along with any of the nominees the Republicans have yet put forward. McCarthy proved himself untrustworthy. Scalise and Jordan are not moderates in any sense of the word. There are definitely a dozen Democrats who would vote for some moderate Republican, someone who didn't vote to overturn the 2020 election results, someone who has been vocally critical of Trump at least occasionally, someone with a reputation for honesty (oh wait, does this Republican Congressperson even exist?) in exchange for dropping the Biden-impeachment fishing expedition, an immediate vote on George Santos expulsion, and funding for Ukraine.

Hakeem Jeffries would insist on something like co-chairs of committees but I sincerely don't think the Republicans would even need to give up that much to peel off a few Dems in red-purple areas who would be willing to get something for switching. Who gives something for nothing? Why do the Republicans think they are owed something for nothing?

But the Republicans would need to do something, to offer something, to put up someone mildly acceptable before they can make any sort of credible claim that the Democrats are the bad guys because they won't rescue them from themselves. Now it's just disingenuous whinging

The Argonaut wrote:

Peeps wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

The Argonaut wrote:It's unreasonable to ask Dems to go along with any of the nominees the Republicans have yet put forward. McCarthy proved himself untrustworthy. Scalise and Jordan are not moderates in any sense of the word. There are definitely a dozen Democrats who would vote for some moderate Republican, someone who didn't vote to overturn the 2020 election results, someone who has been vocally critical of Trump at least occasionally, someone with a reputation for honesty (oh wait, does this Republican Congressperson even exist?) in exchange for dropping the Biden-impeachment fishing expedition, an immediate vote on George Santos expulsion, and funding for Ukraine.

Hakeem Jeffries would insist on something like co-chairs of committees but I sincerely don't think the Republicans would even need to give up that much to peel off a few Dems in red-purple areas who would be willing to get something for switching. Who gives something for nothing? Why do the Republicans think they are owed something for nothing?

But the Republicans would need to do something, to offer something, to put up someone mildly acceptable before they can make any sort of credible claim that the Democrats are the bad guys because they won't rescue them from themselves. Now it's just disingenuous whinging

The bold part is a core premise where we disagree. I don’t love the dude, but I think he’s pretty politically savvy, and he took a very calculated risk in sticking his neck out a couple weeks ago. Dems should’ve taken the implicit deal.

he had pelosi kicked out of her office space within hours of losing speakerhood. gtfo that he is trustworthy

I think that was probably Patrick McHenry's doing, no? Regardless, it's small potatoes. I'm talking about the dozens of stories we heard in the wake of McCarthy's ouster about his telling someone one thing and doing another immediately, of his applauding a bipartisan moment on Saturday and shitting on Dems on TV on Sunday

doug rr wrote:shit show..I love it..they brought it on themselves