Red Mosquito

Does anyone know where I can access civilians directly killed by the Biden/Obama team versus those killed by Pence/Trump? This would include from all military action, border actions (not restrictions) and if you wanted Covid). I have a feeling that Trump has killed far fewer. If so, and you believe in human rights would it then make Trump the moral voting decision.

Interesting verb there. Is he asking people to sign up to watch or to sign up to fight?

sure, why not...

surfndestroy wrote:Does anyone know where I can access civilians directly killed by the Biden/Obama team versus those killed by Pence/Trump? This would include from all military action, border actions (not restrictions) and if you wanted Covid). I have a feeling that Trump has killed far fewer. If so, and you believe in human rights would it then make Trump the moral voting decision.

are you going to use their first 4 years or all 8 years?

Peeps wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:Does anyone know where I can access civilians directly killed by the Biden/Obama team versus those killed by Pence/Trump? This would include from all military action, border actions (not restrictions) and if you wanted Covid). I have a feeling that Trump has killed far fewer. If so, and you believe in human rights would it then make Trump the moral voting decision.

are you going to use their first 4 years or all 8 years?

I would look at the full 8 years and half it for comparison purposes.

surfndestroy wrote:

Peeps wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:Does anyone know where I can access civilians directly killed by the Biden/Obama team versus those killed by Pence/Trump? This would include from all military action, border actions (not restrictions) and if you wanted Covid). I have a feeling that Trump has killed far fewer. If so, and you believe in human rights would it then make Trump the moral voting decision.

are you going to use their first 4 years or all 8 years?

I would look at the full 8 years and half it for comparison purposes.

Is this your only issue? Where do you stand on right to life? Cause that seems to be the big single issue this election.

Higgs wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:

Peeps wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:Does anyone know where I can access civilians directly killed by the Biden/Obama team versus those killed by Pence/Trump? This would include from all military action, border actions (not restrictions) and if you wanted Covid). I have a feeling that Trump has killed far fewer. If so, and you believe in human rights would it then make Trump the moral voting decision.

are you going to use their first 4 years or all 8 years?

I would look at the full 8 years and half it for comparison purposes.

Is this your only issue? Where do you stand on right to life? Cause that seems to be the big single issue this election.

I'm Canadian, one of two countries n the world with zero restrictions on abortion. I have no skin in the right to life game.

Trump is an awful person, who has tried to do many awful things. Thankfully he has been stopped more often than not. Biden seems like a generally good guy, if a little touchy feely with women. But he has been fully on board with executing truly awful things. Things that have lessened (drone strikes, killing of civilians oversees) as far as my knowledge goes under Trump.

I am just not sure it is this clear cut thing that Stip says is required for people to vote against their conscious because it is the only moral thing to do. Would I vote Trump, hell no. Not sure I could vote Biden either. Both are right and far right of Canada's most extreme right wing.

Biden is further right than the most extreme right wing groups in Canada?

Norris wrote:Biden is further right than the most extreme right wing groups in Canada?

Possibly a mistake on my part, I am not a follower of extreme right wing parties but Cnada doesn't have any that make mainstream media. I have yet to see any suggestion by any party to change our constitution to entrench individual property rights, gun ownership rights.

Norris wrote:

Isn’t it illegal to campaign in the actual precincts? Are these goons going to stand there and make sure you vote for Trump? Or throw your ballot out if you don’t? No such thing as secret ballot anymore?

You can't campaign inside a polling location but you can watch as long as you're not interfering. At least that's true in Massachusetts. I (through work) literally called our Secretary of State the morning after the debate to ask this.

surfndestroy wrote:

Higgs wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:

Peeps wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:Does anyone know where I can access civilians directly killed by the Biden/Obama team versus those killed by Pence/Trump? This would include from all military action, border actions (not restrictions) and if you wanted Covid). I have a feeling that Trump has killed far fewer. If so, and you believe in human rights would it then make Trump the moral voting decision.

are you going to use their first 4 years or all 8 years?

I would look at the full 8 years and half it for comparison purposes.

Is this your only issue? Where do you stand on right to life? Cause that seems to be the big single issue this election.

I'm Canadian, one of two countries n the world with zero restrictions on abortion. I have no skin in the right to life game.

Trump is an awful person, who has tried to do many awful things. Thankfully he has been stopped more often than not. Biden seems like a generally good guy, if a little touchy feely with women.

It is absolutely amazing that you can make it sound like Biden is the worst of the two here in this comparison with Donald Trump.

Biden is apparently further right than all of these guys.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/ri ... tudy-warns

Norris wrote:You can't campaign inside a polling location but you can watch as long as you're not interfering. At least that's true in Massachusetts. I (through work) literally called our Secretary of State the morning after the debate to ask this.

But it’s not like when we see these reprobates just standing there, we won’t know who they’re there for and why. That seems like voter intimidation.

surfndestroy wrote:

Higgs wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:

Peeps wrote:

surfndestroy wrote:Does anyone know where I can access civilians directly killed by the Biden/Obama team versus those killed by Pence/Trump? This would include from all military action, border actions (not restrictions) and if you wanted Covid). I have a feeling that Trump has killed far fewer. If so, and you believe in human rights would it then make Trump the moral voting decision.

are you going to use their first 4 years or all 8 years?

I would look at the full 8 years and half it for comparison purposes.

Is this your only issue? Where do you stand on right to life? Cause that seems to be the big single issue this election.

I'm Canadian, one of two countries n the world with zero restrictions on abortion. I have no skin in the right to life game.

Trump is an awful person, who has tried to do many awful things. Thankfully he has been stopped more often than not. Biden seems like a generally good guy, if a little touchy feely with women. But he has been fully on board with executing truly awful things. Things that have lessened (drone strikes, killing of civilians oversees) as far as my knowledge goes under Trump.

I am just not sure it is this clear cut thing that Stip says is required for people to vote against their conscious because it is the only moral thing to do. Would I vote Trump, hell no. Not sure I could vote Biden either. Both are right and far right of Canada's most extreme right wing.

While it is far harder to determine the number of drone strikes and killings since Trump has revoked Obama-era rules requiring transparency on civilian casualties (although these rules were already fairly toothless even during Obama's tenure). According to the BBC, there were 2,243 drone strikes in the first two years of the Trump presidency, compared with 1,878 during Obama (though these numbers are likely squishy).

But everything indicates a continuation of drone strikes during Trump, if not an acceleration. The lack of coverage on that has been pretty bizarre to me, both from the mainstream media and from voices/outlets on the left who rightfully excoriated Obama for his use of drone strikes. The latter's been particularly strange; getting the mainstream media to care about drones was always pulling teeth, but there's a lot of leftists who seemed to stop giving a shit about drones on Jan. 20, 2017.

Have you guys seen that Biden is only trailing Trump by 1-3% in South Carolina?! The winds of change are blowing.

BurtReynolds wrote:Most of the belief that Trump is some unique existential threat is from Trump Derangement Syndrome, a very serious illness.

Burt, I only know your online persona, but this statement is where I would suggest you do some reflecting. I have a friend in real life that reminds me of you. He listens to Mark Levine and Ben Shapiro....thinks he is high minded because he avoids Laura Ingraham. Like you he thinks Trump is terrible (will likely vote for him again) but dismisses the seriousness of the ill he brings as just another lying politician.

The firing of 5 IG's within 6 weeks is enough for me to know that TDS isn't the reason I am concerned about what Trump is doing and the complicity of the Republican party and as you likely know, the IG situation is the tip of the iceberg.

Captain Termite wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote: Thus, you should stay home. This country needs an enema, not a return to normalcy!

Yet as soon as people show up who don't want normalcy, it's all "help help, scary people are in the streets!"

Well yeah those people are idiots

Hatfield wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:Most of the belief that Trump is some unique existential threat is from Trump Derangement Syndrome, a very serious illness.

Burt, I only know your online persona, but this statement is where I would suggest you do some reflecting. I have a friend in real life that reminds me of you. He listens to Mark Levine and Ben Shapiro....thinks he is high minded because he avoids Laura Ingraham. Like you he thinks Trump is terrible (will likely vote for him again) but dismisses the seriousness of the ill he brings as just another lying politician.

The firing of 5 IG's within 6 weeks is enough for me to know that TDS isn't the reason I am concerned about what Trump is doing and the complicity of the Republican party and as you likely know, the IG situation is the tip of the iceberg.

I reflect more than anyone. My doctor tells me I reflect more than anyone he's ever seen. I'm like a mirror I reflect so much. Very polished.

Obviously I can't convince you otherwise about the danger Trump represents relative to the dangers of the system (that created the desperate Trump response), I don't have the necessary skills to undo years of that programming. I'm just shouting into the abyss like everyone else.