Red Mosquito

The delivery of "distance" (Deestance?) is so odd yet it kinda works. It's weirdness works with the rest of the song.

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

bluestate wrote:

tree_ wrote:They have the talent but for some unknown reason they're not applying it.

I'm 99.9% sure that this is not how they see it. This is the music they want to be making and they are very excited about it and proud of it, as they are with every new album they release. This all boils down to what music always comes down to in the end... it's a matter of personal preference. This is what they prefer to make right now, regardless of talent or ability. And, unfortunately, regardless of what we'd like to hear from them.

You can call this song the work of "applying talent" with a straight face? Listen to Spoonman and tell me Matt is at all trying on this song.

Spoonman has the entire band committing to an odd time-signature and more groove-metal chug than you can shake a stick at; Matt is still just "playing along" to it, nothing more, it's just that the bones of the song are more complex

I disagree, the drums in that song feel great. Maybe not the best example of Matt's ability, .. but it is also a "fun" song, which is why I pointed to it. Matt sounds like he's enjoying himself in it, at least.

I didn't say the drums don't "feel great", they really do; but that's largely because every other instrument is locking into a groove and enhancing them

So maybe this demonstrates that Matt is at his best when the band around him is actually applying their talents. And when they don't, he's a click track.

I agree with that

This idea that in order for a song to be good it has to be designed to be easily replicated on stage and pump the nads of a live audience is so tiresome and so antithetical to the concept of songwriting as a creative endeavor and a genuine expression of emotion, as well as totally divorced to what personally interests me about music. I couldn't care less about PJ live.

theplatypus wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tree_ wrote:

bluestate wrote:

tree_ wrote:They have the talent but for some unknown reason they're not applying it.

I'm 99.9% sure that this is not how they see it. This is the music they want to be making and they are very excited about it and proud of it, as they are with every new album they release. This all boils down to what music always comes down to in the end... it's a matter of personal preference. This is what they prefer to make right now, regardless of talent or ability. And, unfortunately, regardless of what we'd like to hear from them.

You can call this song the work of "applying talent" with a straight face? Listen to Spoonman and tell me Matt is at all trying on this song.

Spoonman has the entire band committing to an odd time-signature and more groove-metal chug than you can shake a stick at; Matt is still just "playing along" to it, nothing more, it's just that the bones of the song are more complex

I disagree, the drums in that song feel great. Maybe not the best example of Matt's ability, .. but it is also a "fun" song, which is why I pointed to it. Matt sounds like he's enjoying himself in it, at least.

I didn't say the drums don't "feel great", they really do; but that's largely because every other instrument is locking into a groove and enhancing them

So maybe this demonstrates that Matt is at his best when the band around him is actually applying their talents. And when they don't, he's a click track.

I think there are ways to excel at the 4/4 thing. I think Matt's drumming in "Gonna See My Friend" is a good example of it. He's just half asleep in this tune.

Yeah, just listened after not hearing it for a long time... he sounds darn good in Gonna See My Friend. But that track sounds much better, generally.. Sounds like the band is trying. Ed is trying too hard, though. Ugh another grating ear worm.

DeeDee wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:"they're a live band" in the sense that they play instruments and tour, like... a band

They're a live band in the sense that they've put out one (bad) record in the last 10 years but have continued to tour.

And oh god are they good live.

their album to tour ratio used to be much higher, so maybe they're a "live band" in the sense that they're old and less interested in innovating in the studio

theplatypus wrote:This idea that in order for a song to be good it has to be designed to be easily replicated on stage and pump the nads of a live audience is so tiresome and so antithetical to the concept of songwriting as a creative endeavor and a genuine expression of emotion, as well as totally divorced to what personally interests me about music. I couldn't care less about PJ live.

You should have said that before.

Ms Harmless wrote:

DeeDee wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:"they're a live band" in the sense that they play instruments and tour, like... a band

They're a live band in the sense that they've put out one (bad) record in the last 10 years but have continued to tour.

And oh god are they good live.

their album to tour ratio used to be much higher, so maybe they're a "live band" in the sense that they're old and less interested in innovating in the studio

This power chord progression is super easy to remember and pull off live. But if Ed was really concerned about performing live, maybe he'd dial down the word vomit a little bit.

Ms Harmless wrote:

DeeDee wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:"they're a live band" in the sense that they play instruments and tour, like... a band

They're a live band in the sense that they've put out one (bad) record in the last 10 years but have continued to tour.

And oh god are they good live.

their album to tour ratio used to be much higher, so maybe they're a "live band" in the sense that they're old and less interested in innovating in the studio

Let's put it this way:

How many people will keep going to their concerts no matter how good/bad are their new records?

Sadly, they've become irrelevant studio wise.

Birds in Hell wrote:

KidC- wrote:

96583UP wrote:

KidC- wrote:

96583UP wrote:so is superblood wolfmoon so good it's gonna knock the shit out of our ass into the toilet and flush itself?

Yes. It’s save you mixed with getaway.

Jonathan Cohen has described Mike McCready's solo in that song as 'sizzling' ?

How sizzling would you say we are talking here?

A) Low and steady enough to heat a sunnyside egg
B) Hot enough to cook a philly cheesesteak but not burn
C) Hibachi Onion Volcano Fireball

C

I really fear for the song Comes Then Goes which according to Variety is written by Eddie and features "Pete Townshend worthy acoustic aggression!"

fuck

I haven't read the last 35 pages - but based on the poll my spidey sense tells me that factions of Gigaton Squad are disappointed.

I just listened for the first time. Initial thoughts are reasonably positive:

- it's not a pure spritzer. it is on the spritz spectrum, but where past spritzers transitioned into pure teenie-bop spritz-punk, this stays closer to the median
- the mix sounds better than past spritz-punkers, which may have been a significant contributor to their obnoxiousness. this doesn't have glam BOB effect, you can hear the bass, and the guitar has a little grit at times
- By the middle, Ed suffers from a bit of the 'too many words' problem, as in past spritzers. but he doesn't rely on his usual bag of vocal tics. no breathiness, no obvious call-and-response structures
- the guitar solo part is solid, not just for the opportunity to hear a solo, but the backing chords are pretty good. there is some edge there. and the transition into the main riff is a good one

overall rating: 6.5/10
when factor-adjusted for new pearl jam crappiness syndrome: 8.5/10

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

DeeDee wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:"they're a live band" in the sense that they play instruments and tour, like... a band

They're a live band in the sense that they've put out one (bad) record in the last 10 years but have continued to tour.

And oh god are they good live.

their album to tour ratio used to be much higher, so maybe they're a "live band" in the sense that they're old and less interested in innovating in the studio

This power chord progression is super easy to remember and pull off live. But if Ed was really concerned about performing live, maybe he'd dial down the word vomit a little bit.

maybe he isn't concerned this time? in which case, thank the gods

theplatypus wrote:This idea that in order for a song to be good it has to be designed to be easily replicated on stage and pump the nads of a live audience is so tiresome and so antithetical to the concept of songwriting as a creative endeavor and a genuine expression of emotion, as well as totally divorced to what personally interests me about music. I couldn't care less about PJ live.

That emotion gets through me every time I hear Footsteps, Hard to imagine, Corduroy, Brain of J, NAIS, Half Full, Come back or Hold on, to name a few.

And every time I've seen them live the emotions were even higher, so...

That's why PJ are unique.

96583UP wrote:I haven't read the last 35 pages - but based on the poll my spidey sense tells me that factions of Gigaton Squad are disappointed.

I just listened for the first time. Initial thoughts are reasonably positive:

- it's not a pure spritzer. it is on the spritz spectrum, but where past spritzers transitioned into pure teenie-bop spritz-punk, this stays closer to the median
- the mix sounds better than past spritz-punkers, which may have been a significant contributor to their obnoxiousness. this doesn't have glam BOB effect, you can hear the bass, and the guitar has a little grit at times
- By the middle, Ed suffers from a bit of the 'too many words' problem, as in past spritzers. but he doesn't rely on his usual bag of vocal tics. no breathiness, no obvious call-and-response structures
- the guitar solo part is solid, not just for the opportunity to hear a solo, but the backing chords are pretty good. there is some edge there. and the transition into the main riff is a good one

overall rating: 6.5/10
when factor-adjusted for new pearl jam crappiness syndrome: 8.5/10

Bro this is might be the worst one of the spritzies

Vindicator wrote:I really fear for the song Comes Then Goes which according to Variety is written by Eddie and features "Pete Townshend worthy acoustic aggression!"

fuck

for all that I like SBWM, I can't say I disagree with this, haha

theplatypus wrote:

96583UP wrote:I haven't read the last 35 pages - but based on the poll my spidey sense tells me that factions of Gigaton Squad are disappointed.

I just listened for the first time. Initial thoughts are reasonably positive:

- it's not a pure spritzer. it is on the spritz spectrum, but where past spritzers transitioned into pure teenie-bop spritz-punk, this stays closer to the median
- the mix sounds better than past spritz-punkers, which may have been a significant contributor to their obnoxiousness. this doesn't have glam BOB effect, you can hear the bass, and the guitar has a little grit at times
- By the middle, Ed suffers from a bit of the 'too many words' problem, as in past spritzers. but he doesn't rely on his usual bag of vocal tics. no breathiness, no obvious call-and-response structures
- the guitar solo part is solid, not just for the opportunity to hear a solo, but the backing chords are pretty good. there is some edge there. and the transition into the main riff is a good one

overall rating: 6.5/10
when factor-adjusted for new pearl jam crappiness syndrome: 8.5/10

Bro this is might be the worst one of the spritzies

Yeah, this song is the definition of spritzy.

96583UP wrote:I haven't read the last 35 pages - but based on the poll my spidey sense tells me that factions of Gigaton Squad are disappointed.

I just listened for the first time. Initial thoughts are reasonably positive:

- it's not a pure spritzer. it is on the spritz spectrum, but where past spritzers transitioned into pure teenie-bop spritz-punk, this stays closer to the median
- the mix sounds better than past spritz-punkers, which may have been a significant contributor to their obnoxiousness. this doesn't have glam BOB effect, you can hear the bass, and the guitar has a little grit at times
- By the middle, Ed suffers from a bit of the 'too many words' problem, as in past spritzers. but he doesn't rely on his usual bag of vocal tics. no breathiness, no obvious call-and-response structures
- the guitar solo part is solid, not just for the opportunity to hear a solo, but the backing chords are pretty good. there is some edge there. and the transition into the main riff is a good one

overall rating: 6.5/10
when factor-adjusted for new pearl jam crappiness syndrome: 8.5/10

I agree with all this

It just blows my mind how bad the drums are. It seems like that cymbal crash comes in at all the wrong places, even. Which is something an average novice drummer wouldn't do. Maybe Ed drummed on this song.

guitar_davey wrote:

theplatypus wrote:

96583UP wrote:I haven't read the last 35 pages - but based on the poll my spidey sense tells me that factions of Gigaton Squad are disappointed.

I just listened for the first time. Initial thoughts are reasonably positive:

- it's not a pure spritzer. it is on the spritz spectrum, but where past spritzers transitioned into pure teenie-bop spritz-punk, this stays closer to the median
- the mix sounds better than past spritz-punkers, which may have been a significant contributor to their obnoxiousness. this doesn't have glam BOB effect, you can hear the bass, and the guitar has a little grit at times
- By the middle, Ed suffers from a bit of the 'too many words' problem, as in past spritzers. but he doesn't rely on his usual bag of vocal tics. no breathiness, no obvious call-and-response structures
- the guitar solo part is solid, not just for the opportunity to hear a solo, but the backing chords are pretty good. there is some edge there. and the transition into the main riff is a good one

overall rating: 6.5/10
when factor-adjusted for new pearl jam crappiness syndrome: 8.5/10

Bro this is might be the worst one of the spritzies

Yeah, this song is the definition of spritzy.

I've listened to this song a bunch of times and still don't know the definition of spritzy

I heard it again this morning and I'll just say...I hated it less.