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I’ve never heard a Ryan Adams song so I’ll make a Bryan Adams joke.

Underage 69

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given2trade wrote:I think The National is safe. Matt is a drunk or was a drunk so you never know. Also I doubt Jeff Tweedy has done anything like what Ryan has done. Again, he was a drunk so was probably an asshole though.

I was thinking the same thing

What would you guys do if it was Vedder?

I really don't want to think about it. I'm trying to convince myself that this happened over the last 6 years so that is the period of his music I shouldn't listen to.

Hard Way To Fall

It is, in the words of the New Statesman critic Anna Leszkiewicz, women doing “the boring work of killing our idols” – the male artists who let us down time after time – while male predators kill the dreams of the young women who admire them. Two women in the NYT’s report about Adams say that their interactions with him extinguished their desire to ever make music again. If the allegations are true, these women – and probably thousands more with similar stories about other men – are the collateral damage of a protectionist industry whose power brokers operate out of fear of their own irrelevance. It is pathetic.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/ ... ic-iceberg

It does appear that the worst parts of it that have come out, started in 2013:

"When Adams began corresponding online with a fan, Ava, in 2013, she was a 14-year-old bass player already forging a career.

But their correspondence about music turned into graphic texting. Eventually, Ava said, they conducted video calls on Skype, where Adams exposed himself during phone sex."

His ex wife talks more about controlling her music career in a negative way:

"In 2010, Adams offered to work on her next album; when she parted ways with her music manager, Adams discouraged her from working with other producers or managers, she said, effectively leaving him in charge of her music career.

They wrote songs together regularly that Adams promised to record, but never did. He booked them time at his studio, only to replace her with other female artists, she said. And he lashed out in ways that Moore came to consider psychologically abusive."

Sounds like a real asshole in the last quote, but of course the first quote is far far worse.

psychobain wrote:

given2trade wrote:I think The National is safe. Matt is a drunk or was a drunk so you never know. Also I doubt Jeff Tweedy has done anything like what Ryan has done. Again, he was a drunk so was probably an asshole though.

I was thinking the same thing

What would you guys do if it was Vedder?

Laugh

Anders wrote:It does appear that the worst parts of it that have come out, started in 2013:

"When Adams began corresponding online with a fan, Ava, in 2013, she was a 14-year-old bass player already forging a career.

But their correspondence about music turned into graphic texting. Eventually, Ava said, they conducted video calls on Skype, where Adams exposed himself during phone sex."

His ex wife talks more about controlling her music career in a negative way:

"In 2010, Adams offered to work on her next album; when she parted ways with her music manager, Adams discouraged her from working with other producers or managers, she said, effectively leaving him in charge of her music career.

They wrote songs together regularly that Adams promised to record, but never did. He booked them time at his studio, only to replace her with other female artists, she said. And he lashed out in ways that Moore came to consider psychologically abusive."

Sounds like a real asshole in the last quote, but of course the first quote is far far worse.

Mandy Moore's "music" career is the part of this I care about the least.

verb_to_trust wrote:

Anders wrote:It does appear that the worst parts of it that have come out, started in 2013:

"When Adams began corresponding online with a fan, Ava, in 2013, she was a 14-year-old bass player already forging a career.

But their correspondence about music turned into graphic texting. Eventually, Ava said, they conducted video calls on Skype, where Adams exposed himself during phone sex."

His ex wife talks more about controlling her music career in a negative way:

"In 2010, Adams offered to work on her next album; when she parted ways with her music manager, Adams discouraged her from working with other producers or managers, she said, effectively leaving him in charge of her music career.

They wrote songs together regularly that Adams promised to record, but never did. He booked them time at his studio, only to replace her with other female artists, she said. And he lashed out in ways that Moore came to consider psychologically abusive."

Sounds like a real asshole in the last quote, but of course the first quote is far far worse.

Mandy Moore's "music" career is the part of this I care about the least.

Ryan is still an asshole.

Somewhat likely he'll get a slap on the wrist and be back in two to three years claiming he had "unresolved issues from childhood" that lead him to drugs and turned him "into a monster of a person. I almost can't believe it was me."

verb_to_trust wrote:I have the Nashville Sound and like it okay. Tonight I tried Something More Than Free on my run and was pretty bored with it. Children of Children was the only song that stuck out to me.

lol - this is not an album to run to. it's an album to fall asleep to or cry to. same thing as Southeastern.

given2trade wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:I have the Nashville Sound and like it okay. Tonight I tried Something More Than Free on my run and was pretty bored with it. Children of Children was the only song that stuck out to me.

lol - this is not an album to run to. it's an album to fall asleep to or cry to. same thing as Southeastern.

I wasn't looking to get juiced up. My running cadence is completely unaffected by what is playing my ears. I usually listen to podcasts. The album was mostly boring and his southern man lyrics sounded somewhat contrived.

Rangi Guy wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

Rangi Guy wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:He had some good tunes with DBT but his solo stuff is musically pretty boring and the lyrics are the sort of pretentious southern man stuff that I can't identify with.

Isn't there a Ryan Adams diss track on Nashville Sound?

Ahhhhh - probably not my thing then....

You might like him. I'm a pretty awful person.

Me too

Isbell is fantastic. I'd highly recommend giving him a listen.

Incredible guitar player as well

And generally hilarious on twitter and instagram.

Isbell is great on twitter but most of his music is boring. Though I was never an Adams fan either.

I really like Nashville Sound. Is his 400 Unit stuff different than his solo output?

verb_to_trust wrote:I really like Nashville Sound. Is his 400 Unit stuff different than his solo output?

Not really. Stylistically it's all pretty similar, though I do think there's a significant jump in quality between his earlier stuff and his last three albums.

Southeastern is the only real outlier in his catalog. It's almost entirely acoustic, and sort of a chronicle of his journey into sobriety. I'd highly recommend checking that one out -- it's easily my favorite thing he's done outside of the Truckers.

Strat wrote:Incredible guitar player as well

And generally hilarious on twitter and instagram.

And easy on the eyes! amirite????