Re: Twin Peaks [2017]
Posted: Sun July 16, 2017 8:41 pm
Same.durdencommatyler wrote:I'm way more excited about tonight's new Twin Peaks episode than I am about tonight's new Game of Thrones episode.
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Re: Twin Peaks [2017]
Posted: Mon July 17, 2017 6:47 pm
Re: Twin Peaks [2017]
Posted: Mon July 17, 2017 6:55 pm
Though my least favorite episode so far, it was still entirely compelling. A weak episode of Twin Peaks is still far better than most of the other stuff on TV. And again, there's so much to think about and parse out. And I wonder how much of my "dislike" of this episode is just it's pure ick factor. This was by far the most uncomfortable episode, for me. Maybe that's why it's my least favorite?
Some masterful visual storytelling. Lynch once again using stillness and obstructed view to create visceral tension and terror. This guy is a master of his craft. Just genius. And the humor was so earned, so quintessential Twin Peaks that it almost hurt. What great juxtaposition between real terror/anger and real joy/elation.
I think the most important part of the episode was
Some masterful visual storytelling. Lynch once again using stillness and obstructed view to create visceral tension and terror. This guy is a master of his craft. Just genius. And the humor was so earned, so quintessential Twin Peaks that it almost hurt. What great juxtaposition between real terror/anger and real joy/elation.
I think the most important part of the episode was
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Re: Twin Peaks [2017]
Posted: Mon July 17, 2017 9:21 pm
Yes, that was a very uncomfortable episode. Richard Horne is one of the most disgusting and cruel fictional characters I've seen since Ramsey Bolton (since GoT is on my mind too.) And yet Johnny's robot elevated that scene from bad uncomfortable to interesting television uncomfortable.
A lot of very good moments in this episode, too. I actually quite liked it overall and would rank it in my top eps of this mini series thus far. I loved Sonny Jim's reaction to what was going on upstairs, I loved the return and development of the three girls in the pink dresses, and I was very moved by everything that had to do with
The expressions on that performer's face before the credits were hypnotic, by the way. Anyone else notice that Lynch shared songwriting chops on "No Stars"?
A lot of very good moments in this episode, too. I actually quite liked it overall and would rank it in my top eps of this mini series thus far. I loved Sonny Jim's reaction to what was going on upstairs, I loved the return and development of the three girls in the pink dresses, and I was very moved by everything that had to do with
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The expressions on that performer's face before the credits were hypnotic, by the way. Anyone else notice that Lynch shared songwriting chops on "No Stars"?
Re: Twin Peaks [2017]
Posted: Mon July 17, 2017 9:49 pm
As standalone viewing experiences, I'm not sure I enjoyed this week's and last week's episodes quite as much as some prior, but I think they'll feel a lot more satisfying considered in the whole - they felt kind of like narrative backfilling (though that seems like an unnecessarily harsh word to use), bringing together some of the show's disparate strands and setting things in motion for the last half of the series ("the circle is almost complete").
Still loving the Coop/Dougie scenes, I find them really touching, particularly after considering (as I've seen expanded elsewhere more articulately) the how MacLachlan's portrayal of Coop/Dougie strongly resembles a person suffering Alzheimer's - especially those brief moments of clarity and recognition which heart-breakingly thereafter fade away - and Warren Frost's struggle with the disease and subsequent death.
I haven't looked at much online commentary about the episode yet, so I don't know if this is an idiosyncratic problem, but I really had issues with that Rebekah Del Rio song. I found the absurdly excessive auto-tuning of her voice almost physically uncomfortable. Lynch co-wrote the song and I'm sure it was being used for creative effect but yeesh, it was very tough-going. My wife couldn't stand it either, we had to progressively turn down and then mute the TV long before the song was over.
Still loving the Coop/Dougie scenes, I find them really touching, particularly after considering (as I've seen expanded elsewhere more articulately) the how MacLachlan's portrayal of Coop/Dougie strongly resembles a person suffering Alzheimer's - especially those brief moments of clarity and recognition which heart-breakingly thereafter fade away - and Warren Frost's struggle with the disease and subsequent death.
I haven't looked at much online commentary about the episode yet, so I don't know if this is an idiosyncratic problem, but I really had issues with that Rebekah Del Rio song. I found the absurdly excessive auto-tuning of her voice almost physically uncomfortable. Lynch co-wrote the song and I'm sure it was being used for creative effect but yeesh, it was very tough-going. My wife couldn't stand it either, we had to progressively turn down and then mute the TV long before the song was over.
Re: Twin Peaks [2017]
Posted: Mon July 17, 2017 10:18 pm
My wife and I were baffled by the poor auto tuning as well. You can clearly tell Del Rio has a gorgeous voice that more than likely doesn't need the extra production. It was almost like the producer of the song was using auto tune for the first time.Birds in Hell wrote: I haven't looked at much online commentary about the episode yet, so I don't know if this is an idiosyncratic problem, but I really had issues with that Rebekah Del Rio song. I found the absurdly excessive auto-tuning of her voice almost physically uncomfortable. Lynch co-wrote the song and I'm sure it was being used for creative effect but yeesh, it was very tough-going. My wife couldn't stand it either, we had to progressively turn down and then mute the TV long before the song was over.
Re: Twin Peaks [2017]
Posted: Mon July 17, 2017 10:22 pm
Given how pronounced it was, I can only presume it was a deliberate choice.parasolmonster wrote:My wife and I were baffled by the poor auto tuning as well. You can clearly tell Del Rio has a gorgeous voice that more than likely doesn't need the extra production. It was almost like the producer of the song was using auto tune for the first time.Birds in Hell wrote: I haven't looked at much online commentary about the episode yet, so I don't know if this is an idiosyncratic problem, but I really had issues with that Rebekah Del Rio song. I found the absurdly excessive auto-tuning of her voice almost physically uncomfortable. Lynch co-wrote the song and I'm sure it was being used for creative effect but yeesh, it was very tough-going. My wife couldn't stand it either, we had to progressively turn down and then mute the TV long before the song was over.
There is an element in Lynch's work of quite purposefully using modern technology in ways that seem amateurish and almost grotesque (some of the criticisms of the effects earlier in the series come to mind), so I wonder if that was his production hand at work. The unnaturalness of it becomes interesting in itself - it didn't really work for me here, though.
Re: Twin Peaks [2017]
Posted: Mon July 17, 2017 10:23 pm
This was my least favorite episode of the new run, which still makes it better than almost anything else on television. For me it was just an extremely abrasive episode - over-the top language and over-the top abuse and violence. But I agree with Birds in Hell that this episode will probably improve once we know the whole narrative.
Re: Twin Peaks [2017]
Posted: Mon July 17, 2017 10:25 pm
I could definitely see that. I think it was the first time that the little amateur moments were distracting for me.Birds in Hell wrote:Given how pronounced it was, I can only presume it was a deliberate choice.parasolmonster wrote:My wife and I were baffled by the poor auto tuning as well. You can clearly tell Del Rio has a gorgeous voice that more than likely doesn't need the extra production. It was almost like the producer of the song was using auto tune for the first time.Birds in Hell wrote: I haven't looked at much online commentary about the episode yet, so I don't know if this is an idiosyncratic problem, but I really had issues with that Rebekah Del Rio song. I found the absurdly excessive auto-tuning of her voice almost physically uncomfortable. Lynch co-wrote the song and I'm sure it was being used for creative effect but yeesh, it was very tough-going. My wife couldn't stand it either, we had to progressively turn down and then mute the TV long before the song was over.
There is an element in Lynch's work of quite purposefully using modern technology in ways that seem amateurish and almost grotesque (some of the criticisms of the effects earlier in the series come to mind), so I wonder if that was his production hand at work. The unnaturalness of it becomes interesting in itself - it didn't really work for me here, though.
Re: Twin Peaks [2017]
Posted: Mon July 17, 2017 11:55 pm
My wife and I got a kick out of owning the same TV remote as Candie used to whack Robert Knepper's character (it's actually kind of a pain as it has a curved back and slips off surfaces all the time).
Re: Twin Peaks [2017]
Posted: Wed July 19, 2017 12:34 am
This show is so meaningful and profound for me. I wish I could put into words how it makes me feel to have a third (and final?) season.
Re: Twin Peaks [2017]
Posted: Wed July 19, 2017 5:15 am
Just out of curiosity, what makes the show so meaningful to you? Really, I would love to hear anyone's response to the question.durdencommatyler wrote:This show is so meaningful and profound for me. I wish I could put into words how it makes me feel to have a third (and final?) season.
Re: Twin Peaks [2017]
Posted: Wed July 19, 2017 6:04 am
Loved this episode (much better than #9)
Hated the bad lip syncing in the closing song. Hope it was a weird Lynchian choice...
Hated the bad lip syncing in the closing song. Hope it was a weird Lynchian choice...
Re: Twin Peaks [2017]
Posted: Wed July 19, 2017 8:36 am
Do you mean that really aggressive autotune applied to Rebekah Del Rio's voice? It's weird, it's bothered me way more than anything else in the series, I suppose because it's the only thing that's really rubbed me the wrong way in an experience that otherwise feels like an unexpected and precious gift. Perhaps it's also partially because I've seen the performance described glowingly too, even noting how 'dreamy' her voice was, which seems crazy for something I found so alienating and uncomfortable.
Re: Twin Peaks [2017]
Posted: Wed July 19, 2017 2:22 pm
All of the lip-snycing has been pretty bad so far. At this point I just pretend that's an aesthetic choice; like Lynch wants it to look weird and obvious.
This particular song bored me. I wasn't compelled by her performance at all, which is really disappointing given what she's able to do to me in Mulholland Drive. She completely wrecked me in that movie. I was pretty excited to see her show up in this -- AND IN THAT DRESS! IN FRONT OF THE RED CURTAIN! le swooooooon!
I didn't really notice how bad the auto-tuning was. But I have pretty shitty speakers so that's probably why. Also, I was kind of excited for the song to end. I admit I was starting to tune out. Even the length of the song was uncomfortable for me.
This particular song bored me. I wasn't compelled by her performance at all, which is really disappointing given what she's able to do to me in Mulholland Drive. She completely wrecked me in that movie. I was pretty excited to see her show up in this -- AND IN THAT DRESS! IN FRONT OF THE RED CURTAIN! le swooooooon!
I didn't really notice how bad the auto-tuning was. But I have pretty shitty speakers so that's probably why. Also, I was kind of excited for the song to end. I admit I was starting to tune out. Even the length of the song was uncomfortable for me.
Re: Twin Peaks [2017]
Posted: Wed July 19, 2017 2:37 pm
Again, it's hard for me to fully articulate. It's a lot of things. It's the fact that David Lynch is my favorite film maker. It's the fact that it's such bright and fluent and committed storytelling. It's the fact that it changed TV forever. There's nothing else like it. And so many of the shows I've loved were inspired directly by Twin Peaks (The X-Files, Lost, Gilmore Girls, Northern Exposure, Mad Men, etc). So much of what I love was created and allowed to be shown because of Twin Peaks. That's remarkable.parasolmonster wrote:Just out of curiosity, what makes the show so meaningful to you? Really, I would love to hear anyone's response to the question.durdencommatyler wrote:This show is so meaningful and profound for me. I wish I could put into words how it makes me feel to have a third (and final?) season.
It's the humor and the horror of it all. It's the personality of it, the character -- not just the characters that populate the show -- but the actual character OF the show. It's pure art. It's pure vision. It's flawed in fantastic ways. It's infinitely re-watchable. I think I became a writer and fell in love with TV in large part because of Twin Peaks. So much of my tastes are wrapped up in the Twin Peaks aesthetic. I love mystery and big emotion and honesty and loyalty and honor and madness and the feeling of something else, something other out there.
I don't know. I hope some of that begins to help you understand what I mean. It's really difficult for me to pin down myself. I just know that I feel emotions while watching Twin Peaks that I don't feel while watching other forms of visual art. And there's something about David Lynch and Mark Frost as artists that really resonates deep within me.
Re: Twin Peaks [2017]
Posted: Wed July 19, 2017 5:12 pm
Re: Twin Peaks [2017]
Posted: Wed July 19, 2017 9:36 pm
First of all, I'm always thrilled when I hear that someone else likes Northern Exposure (my favorite show of all-time)! Have you been following what Darren Burrows has been doing to revive it?durdencommatyler wrote:Again, it's hard for me to fully articulate. It's a lot of things. It's the fact that David Lynch is my favorite film maker. It's the fact that it's such bright and fluent and committed storytelling. It's the fact that it changed TV forever. There's nothing else like it. And so many of the shows I've loved were inspired directly by Twin Peaks (The X-Files, Lost, Gilmore Girls, Northern Exposure, Mad Men, etc). So much of what I love was created and allowed to be shown because of Twin Peaks. That's remarkable.parasolmonster wrote:Just out of curiosity, what makes the show so meaningful to you? Really, I would love to hear anyone's response to the question.durdencommatyler wrote:This show is so meaningful and profound for me. I wish I could put into words how it makes me feel to have a third (and final?) season.
It's the humor and the horror of it all. It's the personality of it, the character -- not just the characters that populate the show -- but the actual character OF the show. It's pure art. It's pure vision. It's flawed in fantastic ways. It's infinitely re-watchable. I think I became a writer and fell in love with TV in large part because of Twin Peaks. So much of my tastes are wrapped up in the Twin Peaks aesthetic. I love mystery and big emotion and honesty and loyalty and honor and madness and the feeling of something else, something other out there.
I don't know. I hope some of that begins to help you understand what I mean. It's really difficult for me to pin down myself. I just know that I feel emotions while watching Twin Peaks that I don't feel while watching other forms of visual art. And there's something about David Lynch and Mark Frost as artists that really resonates deep within me.
Second if all (and back to the topic), what you're saying makes sense. A lot of that is what I enjoy about it. It's a very immersive world.
For me, Twin Peaks was like hearing Vitalogy for the first time when I was a 12 year-old kid. I had no idea that music could be so weird, beautiful, intense, artistic, and sad all at once. Back in January, at 34 years-old I finally decided to sit down and watch this show that I had been interested in, but had put off watching for a decade. It was the same experience that I had with Vitalogy. I had no idea that TV could be this artistic, and get away with being so weird. Fast forward to a few weeks ago, Part 8 blew my mind in that exact same kind of way, but pushed those boundaries further than i ever thought possible.
In addition, and I think I have mentioned this before, I have PTSD. And right around when I started watching Twin Peaks I went through one of the worst rough patches I had ever been through. It was an absolute Godsend to have this show to look forward to every night. No matter how bad I was feeling I could look forward to immersing myself into one or two episodes each night. So, this show will always have a place in my heart for that alone.
Also, I like art that takes work. Things that I may not understand on my first listen/viewing. Things that don't have concrete, clear-cut answers that can be discussed and debated for years to come. Twin Peaks fits that mold exactly.