Will he be a Hall of Famer?

[lennytheweedwhacker]

Just asking, sheesh.

i've never smoked crack and i doubt i ever will

[philpritchard]

Molina's tough for me... I think all catchers are, though. But did he have a better career than his contemporaries? Mauer? McCann? Martin? They're all on basically the same level, and I don't know the answer to any of them.

Should contemporaries matter? I'm a no on Molina, but in that context he probably is the best catcher of his generation, but I'm hesitant about making contemporaries a consideration. Then again, I'm a very small hall guy.

I wasn't specifically comparing him to his contemporaries, just to other catchers who have provided similar value over their careers... they just happened to be contemporaries.

[The Argonaut]

Yadi is the best of his generation, but I don't think he gets in. I think Posey ends up with the stronger case, but will still be on the bubble.
Buster Posey?

[philpritchard]

Posey is way better than Molina.

[The Argonaut]

Nelson Cruz

The guy has 416 career homeruns. He's 40 years old, but he's still hitting homers about as well as he ever has. There's a fair chance he has two more years in him and he could join the 500 homerun club. That'd be the only way he has a chance of getting in. BUT there is that fifty game steroid suspension on his record, so I think even then he would not stand a chance.
Sorry, Nelson Cruz

[Norah]

also he cost the rangers the world series because he was afraid to run into the wall

[The Argonaut]

also he cost the rangers the world series because he was afraid to run into the wall

How did it take baseball so long to realize that this man was born a full-time DH?

[lennytheweedwhacker]

agreed on Cruz's chances

[philpritchard]

Yeah, Cruz is in a category with other guys like Bautista and Encarnacion who had some really good years and a really high peak but who were too old by the time they got good to put together a Hall of Fame career.

[numbers]

also he cost the rangers the world series because he was afraid to run into the wall

Yeah, this is a dis qualifier for me too.

[daft twat]

Rajon Rondo.
First player to win championships with la lakers and Boston Celtics. I don’t watch basketball. Just read that.

[Monkey_Driven]

No.

[Bammer]

Justin Herbert?

[Bammer]

Sue Bird?

Oops, sorry, wrong thread.

[The Argonaut]

Debuting on the BBWAA ballot in 2021 are:

Mark Buehrle,
A.J. Burnett,
Michael Cuddyer,
Dan Haren,
LaTroy Hawkins,
Tim Hudson,
Torii Hunter,
Aramis Ramírez,
Nick Swisher,
Shane Victorino and
Barry Zito.

Fourteen former players are returning to the 2021 BBWAA ballot after receiving at least five percent of the overall vote in 2020:

Curt Schilling
70.0%
9th year

Roger Clemens
61.0%
9th year

Barry Bonds
60.7%
9th year

Omar Vizquel
52.6%
4th year

Scott Rolen
35.3%
4th year

Billy Wagner
31.7%
6th year

Gary Sheffield
30.5%
7th year

Todd Helton
29.2%
3rd year

Manny Ramírez
28.2%
5th year

Jeff Kent
27.5%
8th year

Andruw Jones
19.4%
4th year

Sammy Sosa
13.9%
9th year

Andy Pettitte
11.3%
3rd year

Bobby Abreu
5.5%
2nd year

[lennytheweedwhacker]

all of those guys should get in...except sosa

[The Argonaut]

I would vote for Nick Swisher and no one else

[lennytheweedwhacker]

I would vote for Nick Swisher and no one else

that's not even a real person

[Simple Torture]

Kind of wild that Zito/Haren/Hudson ended up on the ballot at the same time.

[lennytheweedwhacker]

Kind of wild that Zito/Haren/Hudson ended up on the ballot at the same time.

i'm into that