philpritchard wrote:Molina's tough for me... I think all catchers are, though. But did he have a better career than his contemporaries? Mauer? McCann? Martin? They're all on basically the same level, and I don't know the answer to any of them.
Should contemporaries matter? I'm a no on Molina, but in that context he probably is the best catcher of his generation, but I'm hesitant about making contemporaries a consideration. Then again, I'm a very small hall guy.
I wasn't specifically comparing him to his contemporaries, just to other catchers who have provided similar value over their careers... they just happened to be contemporaries.
Re: Will he be a Hall of Famer?
Posted: Sat August 08, 2020 4:27 am
by The Argonaut
Yadi is the best of his generation, but I don't think he gets in. I think Posey ends up with the stronger case, but will still be on the bubble.
Buster Posey?
Re: Will he be a Hall of Famer?
Posted: Sat August 08, 2020 4:59 am
by philpritchard
Posey is way better than Molina.
Re: Will he be a Hall of Famer?
Posted: Wed September 09, 2020 6:23 pm
by The Argonaut
Nelson Cruz
The guy has 416 career homeruns. He's 40 years old, but he's still hitting homers about as well as he ever has. There's a fair chance he has two more years in him and he could join the 500 homerun club. That'd be the only way he has a chance of getting in. BUT there is that fifty game steroid suspension on his record, so I think even then he would not stand a chance.
Sorry, Nelson Cruz
Re: Will he be a Hall of Famer?
Posted: Wed September 09, 2020 6:25 pm
by Norah
also he cost the rangers the world series because he was afraid to run into the wall
Re: Will he be a Hall of Famer?
Posted: Wed September 09, 2020 7:07 pm
by The Argonaut
cutuphalfdead wrote:also he cost the rangers the world series because he was afraid to run into the wall
How did it take baseball so long to realize that this man was born a full-time DH?
Re: Will he be a Hall of Famer?
Posted: Thu September 10, 2020 12:03 am
by lennytheweedwhacker
agreed on Cruz's chances
Re: Will he be a Hall of Famer?
Posted: Thu September 10, 2020 10:29 am
by philpritchard
Yeah, Cruz is in a category with other guys like Bautista and Encarnacion who had some really good years and a really high peak but who were too old by the time they got good to put together a Hall of Fame career.
Re: Will he be a Hall of Famer?
Posted: Thu September 10, 2020 12:38 pm
by numbers
cutuphalfdead wrote:also he cost the rangers the world series because he was afraid to run into the wall
Yeah, this is a dis qualifier for me too.
Re: Will he be a Hall of Famer?
Posted: Tue October 13, 2020 3:25 am
by daft twat
Rajon Rondo.
First player to win championships with la lakers and Boston Celtics. I don’t watch basketball. Just read that.
Re: Will he be a Hall of Famer?
Posted: Tue October 13, 2020 4:31 am
by Monkey_Driven
No.
Re: Will he be a Hall of Famer?
Posted: Tue October 13, 2020 5:22 am
by Bammer
Justin Herbert?
Re: Will he be a Hall of Famer?
Posted: Fri October 16, 2020 1:41 pm
by Bammer
Sue Bird?
Oops, sorry, wrong thread.
Re: Will he be a Hall of Famer?
Posted: Mon November 16, 2020 11:47 pm
by The Argonaut
Debuting on the BBWAA ballot in 2021 are:
Mark Buehrle,
A.J. Burnett,
Michael Cuddyer,
Dan Haren,
LaTroy Hawkins,
Tim Hudson,
Torii Hunter,
Aramis Ramírez,
Nick Swisher,
Shane Victorino and
Barry Zito.
Fourteen former players are returning to the 2021 BBWAA ballot after receiving at least five percent of the overall vote in 2020:
Curt Schilling
70.0%
9th year
Roger Clemens
61.0%
9th year
Barry Bonds
60.7%
9th year
Omar Vizquel
52.6%
4th year
Scott Rolen
35.3%
4th year
Billy Wagner
31.7%
6th year
Gary Sheffield
30.5%
7th year
Todd Helton
29.2%
3rd year
Manny Ramírez
28.2%
5th year
Jeff Kent
27.5%
8th year
Andruw Jones
19.4%
4th year
Sammy Sosa
13.9%
9th year
Andy Pettitte
11.3%
3rd year
Bobby Abreu
5.5%
2nd year
Re: Will he be a Hall of Famer?
Posted: Mon November 16, 2020 11:55 pm
by lennytheweedwhacker
all of those guys should get in...except sosa
Re: Will he be a Hall of Famer?
Posted: Tue November 17, 2020 12:02 am
by The Argonaut
I would vote for Nick Swisher and no one else
Re: Will he be a Hall of Famer?
Posted: Tue November 17, 2020 12:06 am
by lennytheweedwhacker
The Argonaut wrote:I would vote for Nick Swisher and no one else
that's not even a real person
Re: Will he be a Hall of Famer?
Posted: Tue November 17, 2020 12:21 am
by Simple Torture
Kind of wild that Zito/Haren/Hudson ended up on the ballot at the same time.
Re: Will he be a Hall of Famer?
Posted: Tue November 17, 2020 12:24 am
by lennytheweedwhacker
Simple Torture wrote:Kind of wild that Zito/Haren/Hudson ended up on the ballot at the same time.