Red Mosquito

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 12:43 pm**

I'm yet to have a second viewing (next Friday now), but I'm glad that Rian really challenged a lot of expectations here. There were a lot of twists and turns in the story. This is what many fans were screaming for after TFA, but I wonder if it's those same fans that are now claiming this to be the worst ever in the entire franchise.

I challenge those same fans to watch the snore-fest that is AOTC again. The galactic senate rubbish was so dragged out. Gah, I'm never able to rewatch that without falling asleep.

However TLJ seemed to kick straight into the action, and maintained a steady rhythm for the length of the movie.

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 12:45 pm**

stip wrote:
B wrote:I enjoyed this film, but it is going to absolutely crumble under scrutiny.
i disagree 100%. its the extra scruitny and consideration that is going to favorably resolve a lit of the initial negative gut reactions. This is very nuanced and subtle storytelling (for star wars) that plays against the simple morality and bright lines we normally expect in these movies. it will take time to work itself out.

Yeah agreed. There’s a whole lot going on here that unfolds almost too much and that’s why people seem to be missing the numerous subtleties woven into each character and their arc.

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 12:46 pm**

Anders wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:This is a good read but especially for anyone having trouble with it.

https://t.co/SbTDq3ks88?amp=1

Spoiler: show
While he skips over all the other problems with the movie, which are there regardless, I can’t agree that all the Skywalkers dying out is a satisfying end to the saga. That somehow all the Sith and Jedi dying brings balance to the universe. For me it’s a betrayal of the OT, and hurts the saga more than anything.

i spoilered this anders.

also

Spoiler: show: there are still two skywalkers alive. leia (though they cant carry that through) and ben solo - in fact a skywalker now rules the galaxy.

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 12:53 pm**

Do we believe Ren's statements about Rey's parents?

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 12:57 pm**

I think I'm worried that a lot of unknowns from TFA are tied up and now we're handing this back to JJ Abrams to give us a bunch of unanswered nonsense questions again.

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 1:03 pm**

B wrote:Do we believe Ren's statements about Rey's parents?

Spoiler: show: I reckon Bens lying to her on the parents thing in order to weaken her in that moment and try and knock her confidence but he’s going about it the wrong way. It’s exactly the abusive treatment he’s gotten from Snoke.

If 9 truly is the final episode of the saga I can’t see JJ not being able to give her a scene where she finds out who her parents truly were. It’s just too much of an almost bittersweet happy ending tear inducing moment to resist including.

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 1:05 pm**

Spoiler: show: i absolutely believe him. rey is special because of who she is intrinsically, not because of what she inherited

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 1:06 pm**

stip wrote:
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i absolutely believe him. rey is special because of who she is intrinsically, not because of what she inherited

oh i agree with you, im just saying its something jj is going to undo in the finale..

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 1:08 pm**

i think there is enough plot to work through the finale wont need secrets

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 1:13 pm**

I had some weird trailers before this movie.

Tomb Raider
Sampson
Alpha
Jurassic World
The Greatest Showman

I leaned over to my wife during the Alpha trailer and asked her, "are we in the right theater?"

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 1:17 pm**

B wrote:Do we believe Ren's statements about Rey's parents?

Spoiler: show: i dont. Even with all this ¨ you dont need to be special to be special ¨thang i still think thats a secret they will unfold in the next chapter...gotta say guys im kinda happy JJ is back.

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 1:18 pm**

stip youll like this

I really like this take on the film: https://www.avclub.com/part-kurosawa-pa ... 1821291545

One thing that threatens to get lost in the back-and-forth over the film's story choices and individual moments is how Johnson has made probably the most cinematically ambitious entry the series has seen. He manages to take various inspirations and homages (as one observant poster pointed out earlier, the initial casino establishing shot appears to be a direct nod to Wings, and as alluded to in the article above there's clear inspirations from a different era of Japanese cinema than Lucas embraced) and casually mixes them with his own ideas. He definitely IMO manages to create one of the most visually fetching, cine-literate blockbusters of recent times.

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 1:18 pm**

stip wrote:
Anders wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:This is a good read but especially for anyone having trouble with it.

https://t.co/SbTDq3ks88?amp=1

Spoiler: show
While he skips over all the other problems with the movie, which are there regardless, I can’t agree that all the Skywalkers dying out is a satisfying end to the saga. That somehow all the Sith and Jedi dying brings balance to the universe. For me it’s a betrayal of the OT, and hurts the saga more than anything.
i spoilered this anders.

also
Spoiler: show
there are still two skywalkers alive. leia (though they cant carry that through) and ben solo - in fact a skywalker now rules the galaxy.

Spoiler: show: But in the article he says they must end, and Ben must die. And of course Ben must die, he is the villain.

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 1:19 pm**

stip wrote:i think there is enough plot to work through the finale wont need secrets

we could have Luke reveal it to her...

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 1:21 pm**

Anders wrote:
stip wrote:
Anders wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:This is a good read but especially for anyone having trouble with it.

https://t.co/SbTDq3ks88?amp=1

Spoiler: show
While he skips over all the other problems with the movie, which are there regardless, I can’t agree that all the Skywalkers dying out is a satisfying end to the saga. That somehow all the Sith and Jedi dying brings balance to the universe. For me it’s a betrayal of the OT, and hurts the saga more than anything.
i spoilered this anders.

also
Spoiler: show
there are still two skywalkers alive. leia (though they cant carry that through) and ben solo - in fact a skywalker now rules the galaxy.

Spoiler: show
But in the article he says they must end, and Ben must die. And of course Ben must die, he is the villain.

Spoiler: show: i wouldnt conflate skywalkers and jedi

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 1:22 pm**

Good movie. I had fun. My 11-year-old daughter had fun. I feel like the Finn and Rose stuff was a little clunky, but not "prequel-level" clunky. I can't think of anything else that I disliked. It was a well-made movie, top to bottom.

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 1:23 pm**

stip wrote:
Anders wrote:
stip wrote:
Anders wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:This is a good read but especially for anyone having trouble with it.

https://t.co/SbTDq3ks88?amp=1

Spoiler: show
While he skips over all the other problems with the movie, which are there regardless, I can’t agree that all the Skywalkers dying out is a satisfying end to the saga. That somehow all the Sith and Jedi dying brings balance to the universe. For me it’s a betrayal of the OT, and hurts the saga more than anything.
i spoilered this anders.

also
Spoiler: show
there are still two skywalkers alive. leia (though they cant carry that through) and ben solo - in fact a skywalker now rules the galaxy.

Spoiler: show
But in the article he says they must end, and Ben must die. And of course Ben must die, he is the villain.

Spoiler: show
i wouldnt conflate skywalkers and jedi

Spoiler: show: No, they are clearly separate. But the nine episode saga is about the Skywalkers.

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 1:27 pm**

I liked the implication that

Spoiler: show: Luke was about to "become one with the Force" at the beginning when Rey interrupted him/end of TFA. Each time he has the white robes on in TLJ he seems about to do this

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 1:46 pm**

Anders wrote:
stip wrote:
Anders wrote:
stip wrote:
Anders wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:This is a good read but especially for anyone having trouble with it.

https://t.co/SbTDq3ks88?amp=1

Spoiler: show
While he skips over all the other problems with the movie, which are there regardless, I can’t agree that all the Skywalkers dying out is a satisfying end to the saga. That somehow all the Sith and Jedi dying brings balance to the universe. For me it’s a betrayal of the OT, and hurts the saga more than anything.
i spoilered this anders.

also
Spoiler: show
there are still two skywalkers alive. leia (though they cant carry that through) and ben solo - in fact a skywalker now rules the galaxy.

Spoiler: show
But in the article he says they must end, and Ben must die. And of course Ben must die, he is the villain.

Spoiler: show
i wouldnt conflate skywalkers and jedi
Spoiler: show
No, they are clearly separate. But the nine episode saga is about the Skywalkers.

Spoiler: show: right, which will conclude with the end of the Anakin - Luke - Ben skywalker arc.

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 1:48 pm**

stip wrote:
Anders wrote:
stip wrote:
Anders wrote:
stip wrote:
Anders wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:This is a good read but especially for anyone having trouble with it.

https://t.co/SbTDq3ks88?amp=1

Spoiler: show
While he skips over all the other problems with the movie, which are there regardless, I can’t agree that all the Skywalkers dying out is a satisfying end to the saga. That somehow all the Sith and Jedi dying brings balance to the universe. For me it’s a betrayal of the OT, and hurts the saga more than anything.
i spoilered this anders.

also
Spoiler: show
there are still two skywalkers alive. leia (though they cant carry that through) and ben solo - in fact a skywalker now rules the galaxy.

Spoiler: show
But in the article he says they must end, and Ben must die. And of course Ben must die, he is the villain.

Spoiler: show
i wouldnt conflate skywalkers and jedi
Spoiler: show
No, they are clearly separate. But the nine episode saga is about the Skywalkers.

Spoiler: show
right, which will conclude with the end of the Anakin - Luke - Ben skywalker arc.

Spoiler: show: Which is a terrible ending to a saga.

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