Red Mosquito

Bammer wrote:I don’t have a link, but there is a competitive weight lifter making his(?) (her?) (its?) way to the Olympics this year. Used to compete as a man, changed gender at age 35 and now competing against women.

Thoughts?

Are they crushing all the other women in the sport?

Ello Sailor wrote:

Bammer wrote:I don’t have a link, but there is a competitive weight lifter making his(?) (her?) (its?) way to the Olympics this year. Used to compete as a man, changed gender at age 35 and now competing against women.

Thoughts?

It shouldn't be allowed. She was a fairly average lifter pre-transition, and bone structure + muscle memory will definitely play a part. She might not win, but she still has an unfair advantage.

Doesn't every 7ft basketball player have an unfair advantage against a 6ft basketball player? Because bone structure?

Norris wrote:throwing "its" in there is pretty fucking transphobic, bammer

I don’t know which word or even which letter to use anymore, they have about half the alphabet now.

Anyway I am focusing squarely on fair/unfair athletic competition here.

Bammer wrote:

Norris wrote:throwing "its" in there is pretty fucking transphobic, bammer

I don’t know which word or even which letter to use anymore, they have about half the alphabet now.

pro tip: don't refer to humans as it

Leatherhead wrote:

Ello Sailor wrote:

Bammer wrote:I don’t have a link, but there is a competitive weight lifter making his(?) (her?) (its?) way to the Olympics this year. Used to compete as a man, changed gender at age 35 and now competing against women.

Thoughts?

It shouldn't be allowed. She was a fairly average lifter pre-transition, and bone structure + muscle memory will definitely play a part. She might not win, but she still has an unfair advantage.

Doesn't every 7ft basketball player have an unfair advantage against a 6ft basketball player? Because bone structure?

I'd take Iverson over Shawn Bradley in their respective primes.

Good try though, fella.

Leatherhead wrote:

Bammer wrote:I don’t have a link, but there is a competitive weight lifter making his(?) (her?) (its?) way to the Olympics this year. Used to compete as a man, changed gender at age 35 and now competing against women.

Thoughts?

Are they crushing all the other women in the sport?

We dont have enough data yet as it's a relatively new 'issue' and there are very few examples to pick from. But when you look at other sports, sprinting for example, the top women's records are consistently beaten by high school aged boys and the percentage of under-18s identifying as trans is around 2% now and climbing so it will be an issue in the future.

Oh wait... i think we just got postmoderned... what did you mean by "they"?

How to accommodate trans athletes is something that I've struggled to find a good answer for, and I worry that there may not be one.

Green Habit wrote:How to accommodate trans athletes is something that I've struggled to find a good answer for, and I worry that there may not be one.

We could keep doing what we're doing and backdoor abolish the athletic aspects of Title IX.

Bi_3 wrote:

Leatherhead wrote:

Bammer wrote:I don’t have a link, but there is a competitive weight lifter making his(?) (her?) (its?) way to the Olympics this year. Used to compete as a man, changed gender at age 35 and now competing against women.

Thoughts?

Are they crushing all the other women in the sport?

We dont have enough data yet as it's a relatively new 'issue' and there are very few examples to pick from. But when you look at other sports, sprinting for example, the top women's records are consistently beaten by high school aged boys and the percentage of under-18s identifying as trans is around 2% now and climbing so it will be an issue in the future.

Exactly. Olympic females wouldn’t place at high school boys track meets.

The simple fix is to simply not allow women to participate in sports.

Bammer wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

Leatherhead wrote:

Bammer wrote:I don’t have a link, but there is a competitive weight lifter making his(?) (her?) (its?) way to the Olympics this year. Used to compete as a man, changed gender at age 35 and now competing against women.

Thoughts?

Are they crushing all the other women in the sport?

We dont have enough data yet as it's a relatively new 'issue' and there are very few examples to pick from. But when you look at other sports, sprinting for example, the top women's records are consistently beaten by high school aged boys and the percentage of under-18s identifying as trans is around 2% now and climbing so it will be an issue in the future.

Exactly. Olympic females wouldn’t place at high school boys track meets.

Does Leatherhead need me to repost the grip strength graph? So help me I will.

simple schoolboy wrote:

Bammer wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

Leatherhead wrote:

Bammer wrote:I don’t have a link, but there is a competitive weight lifter making his(?) (her?) (its?) way to the Olympics this year. Used to compete as a man, changed gender at age 35 and now competing against women.

Thoughts?

Are they crushing all the other women in the sport?

We dont have enough data yet as it's a relatively new 'issue' and there are very few examples to pick from. But when you look at other sports, sprinting for example, the top women's records are consistently beaten by high school aged boys and the percentage of under-18s identifying as trans is around 2% now and climbing so it will be an issue in the future.

Exactly. Olympic females wouldn’t place at high school boys track meets.

Does Leatherhead need me to repost the grip strength graph? So help me I will.

We can cherry pick data sets all we want, but that doesnt help ensure opportunities for both cis and trans competitors.

Bammer wrote:

Norris wrote:throwing "its" in there is pretty fucking transphobic, bammer

I don’t know which word or even which letter to use anymore, they have about half the alphabet now.

jfc bammer

spike wrote:

Bammer wrote:

Norris wrote:throwing "its" in there is pretty fucking transphobic, bammer

I don’t know which word or even which letter to use anymore, they have about half the alphabet now.

jfc bammer

Actually no I don’t think those are any of the letters

A thought about the great pronoun debate that I haven't seen brought up anywhere yet is just how rare it is to use gendered pronouns in everyday conversation with the person in question. If you're talking to that person, you're using second person pronouns, and those are gender neutral in the English language, so there's little risk of using the wrong pronoun in that person's presence. The grand majority of the time, if you're using the third person--where gendering does exist--the person you're referring to isn't present.

Thus, most of the arguments that arise on this tend to be in recorded media, where everyone can see or hear the words being created, and is quite divorced from personal conversation. And that makes it no surprise to me that so much of this debate takes place among the Very Online sector of society, while most people don't even think about it that much.

Norris wrote:

Bammer wrote:

Norris wrote:throwing "its" in there is pretty fucking transphobic, bammer

I don’t know which word or even which letter to use anymore, they have about half the alphabet now.

pro tip: don't refer to humans as it

Circling back - you’re right. I apologize. That was a poor decision.

Bammer wrote:

Norris wrote:

Bammer wrote:

Norris wrote:throwing "its" in there is pretty fucking transphobic, bammer

I don’t know which word or even which letter to use anymore, they have about half the alphabet now.

pro tip: don't refer to humans as it

Circling back - you’re right. I apologize. That was a poor decision.

Bi_3 wrote:

Bammer wrote:

Norris wrote:

Bammer wrote:

Norris wrote:throwing "its" in there is pretty fucking transphobic, bammer

I don’t know which word or even which letter to use anymore, they have about half the alphabet now.

pro tip: don't refer to humans as it

Circling back - you’re right. I apologize. That was a poor decision.

That's anti-semitic, Bi, your cancelled.