Red Mosquito

stupidmop wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

stupidmop wrote:I don't think the band are interested in discussing the 'touchy' subjects, and any fan made documentary without the bands involvement won't feature any info we don't already know without being speculative

Certainly.
And ed's remark about the albums being an apartment that someone else lives in now suggests he at least would be reluctant to go back over everything.

Maybe when they get to Neil's age they'll want to really get into it all.
I'd hoped Neil would in his book, and he didn't. At all. Huge disappointment.

Honestly i don't really blame them. As much as im interested in all that stuff i can see why they don't wanna sit there and talk about bygone shit. It a shame cameron crowe didn't grow some balls and ask em the hard questions while he had them right there.

As for ed and his apartments, i hope that just means he...buys some more soon...or builds them....rents them? I WANT MORE ALBUMS

Well the least you'd expect them to do is discuss how their music changed/evolved trough the albums.

Mine wrote:

stupidmop wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

stupidmop wrote:I don't think the band are interested in discussing the 'touchy' subjects, and any fan made documentary without the bands involvement won't feature any info we don't already know without being speculative

Certainly.
And ed's remark about the albums being an apartment that someone else lives in now suggests he at least would be reluctant to go back over everything.

Maybe when they get to Neil's age they'll want to really get into it all.
I'd hoped Neil would in his book, and he didn't. At all. Huge disappointment.

Honestly i don't really blame them. As much as im interested in all that stuff i can see why they don't wanna sit there and talk about bygone shit. It a shame cameron crowe didn't grow some balls and ask em the hard questions while he had them right there.

As for ed and his apartments, i hope that just means he...buys some more soon...or builds them....rents them? I WANT MORE ALBUMS

Well the least you'd expect them to do is discuss how their music changed/evolved trough the albums.

Has it though?
I'm not trying to be controversial but for it to really evolve they should spend a few years putting out an ep or record every few months and really challenge themselves.
It's all a bit comfortable as it stands.

Mine wrote:

stupidmop wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

stupidmop wrote:I don't think the band are interested in discussing the 'touchy' subjects, and any fan made documentary without the bands involvement won't feature any info we don't already know without being speculative

Certainly.
And ed's remark about the albums being an apartment that someone else lives in now suggests he at least would be reluctant to go back over everything.

Maybe when they get to Neil's age they'll want to really get into it all.
I'd hoped Neil would in his book, and he didn't. At all. Huge disappointment.

Honestly i don't really blame them. As much as im interested in all that stuff i can see why they don't wanna sit there and talk about bygone shit. It a shame cameron crowe didn't grow some balls and ask em the hard questions while he had them right there.

As for ed and his apartments, i hope that just means he...buys some more soon...or builds them....rents them? I WANT MORE ALBUMS

Well the least you'd expect them to do is discuss how their music changed/evolved trough the albums.

Eh, i get the feeling they don't really care about analysing that stuff. I know i probably wouldn't. That said, they could have taken the opportunity when it was presented to them, but such is pearl jam.

I dont want to live on an RM where dime hates PJ.

I think he is just feeling moody. Next week/month he will be back in fine form!

Woohoo!

I don't hate em!!
Quite the opposite. Still a bit sick about that sham of a contest the other day but other than that its just feeling like time to move on. All my peers have.

dimejinky99 wrote:I don't hate em!!
Quite the opposite. Still a bit sick about that sham of a contest the other day but other than that its just feeling like time to move on. All my peers have.

PJ can come with you. There is plenty of room for all sorts of music. Somedays PJ may make you cry, other days you wont think twice about them. Thats okay.

Strat wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:I don't hate em!!
Quite the opposite. Still a bit sick about that sham of a contest the other day but other than that its just feeling like time to move on. All my peers have.

PJ can come with you. There is plenty of room for all sorts of music. Somedays PJ may make you cry, other days you wont think twice about them. Thats okay.

They have had a monopoly on my love, interest, holiday time, for 17 years.
Time to stop letting them outshine everyone else.

I'll send you all my PJ posters.

stupidmop wrote:I don't think the band are interested in discussing the 'touchy' subjects, and any fan made documentary without the bands involvement won't feature any info we don't already know without being speculative

The 33 1/3 book on Highway 61 Revisited was one of the most insightful and affecting revelations I've ever read about an album, and it certainly wasnt because there was so much material to draw from in Bob interviews. It was, aside from sidetrack moments about bootleg audio stuff and photo sessions, an intelligent person who had spent a lot of time with an album, detailing their personal reflections on it.

Fans can write excellent books.

Dave Marsh's work on Springsteen is invaluable.

dimejinky99 wrote:

Strat wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:I don't hate em!!
Quite the opposite. Still a bit sick about that sham of a contest the other day but other than that its just feeling like time to move on. All my peers have.

PJ can come with you. There is plenty of room for all sorts of music. Somedays PJ may make you cry, other days you wont think twice about them. Thats okay.

They have had a monopoly on my love, interest, holiday time, for 17 years.
Time to stop letting them outshine everyone else.

I'll send you all my PJ posters.

Okay!

Something like that would depend entirely on whether your thoughts on the album are similar, or at least not at odds with the authors no? Like im pretty sure if i ever read an essay on binaural by stip it will make me a) wanna cry or b) throw the book out the window.

I was talking about the outside stuff like people mentioning tension in the band or with drummers for example during vitalogy/no code, when really we don't know what was going on. Though i guess you could avoid that shit completely.

Strat wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:

Strat wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:I don't hate em!!
Quite the opposite. Still a bit sick about that sham of a contest the other day but other than that its just feeling like time to move on. All my peers have.

PJ can come with you. There is plenty of room for all sorts of music. Somedays PJ may make you cry, other days you wont think twice about them. Thats okay.

They have had a monopoly on my love, interest, holiday time, for 17 years.
Time to stop letting them outshine everyone else.

I'll send you all my PJ posters.

Okay!

Strat. I just realised. I dunno if yo remember but i had a tee shirt to send to you and I never did.
I have it upstairs. Whatsapp me your address.
I'll send it this week.

(It's a frames shirt by the way)

stupidmop wrote:Something like that would depend entirely on whether your thoughts on the album are similar, or at least not at odds with the authors no? Like im pretty sure if i ever read an essay on binaural by stip it will make me a) wanna cry or b) throw the book out the window.

I was talking about the outside stuff like people mentioning tension in the band or with drummers for example during vitalogy/no code, when really we don't know what was going on. Though i guess you could avoid that shit completely.

Meh… I don't need super specifics about that stuff. If you tell me there was tension in the band and that there was the potential for a break up, that's enough to inform my understanding of that aspect of it. And the problem is, all of those stories now are going to be shaded by memory. Unless you're Glen Frey, and time has only made you more impressed with your own dickishness, things get cloudy. Pete Townsend's book was great, and he is consistently insightful and poignant when talking about music, but even that book was occasionally an exercise in adjusted storytelling.

On the other hand, when I read Highway 61 described as the story of a journey down a mythical highway, through a surreal and Wonderlandish American landscape, rushing southward only to find that the intended destination of escape is already overloaded with the maddened ghosts of America's culture and memory...even the postcards they sold of a lynching in Bob's home territory, where the journey begins...I'm pretty sure I listen to that record more in the two months that followed then in the two years prior. My perception of the record was changed...or maybe just honed...in a way that Bob Dylan describing a trip he took to New Orleans doesn't accomplish.

stupidmop wrote:Something like that would depend entirely on whether your thoughts on the album are similar, or at least not at odds with the authors no? Like im pretty sure if i ever read an essay on binaural by stip it will make me a) wanna cry or b) throw the book out the window.

I was talking about the outside stuff like people mentioning tension in the band or with drummers for example during vitalogy/no code, when really we don't know what was going on. Though i guess you could avoid that shit completely.

You can test that theory! I think the binaural guided tour was my best one

McParadigm wrote:

stupidmop wrote:Something like that would depend entirely on whether your thoughts on the album are similar, or at least not at odds with the authors no? Like im pretty sure if i ever read an essay on binaural by stip it will make me a) wanna cry or b) throw the book out the window.

I was talking about the outside stuff like people mentioning tension in the band or with drummers for example during vitalogy/no code, when really we don't know what was going on. Though i guess you could avoid that shit completely.

Meh… I don't need super specifics about that stuff. If you tell me there was tension in the band and that there was the potential for a break up, that's enough to inform my understanding of that aspect of it. And the problem is, all of those stories now are going to be shaded by memory. Unless you're Glen Frey, and time has only made you more impressed with your own dickishness, things get cloudy. Pete Townsend's book was great, and he is consistently insightful and poignant when talking about music, but even that book was occasionally an exercise in adjusted storytelling.

On the other hand, when I read Highway 61 described as the story of a journey down a mythical highway, through a surreal and Wonderlandish American landscape, rushing southward only to find that the intended destination of escape is already overloaded with the maddened ghosts of America's culture and memory...even the postcards they sold of a lynching in Bob's home territory, where the journey begins...I'm pretty sure I listen to that record more in the two months that followed then in the two years prior. My perception of the record was changed...or maybe just honed...in a way that Bob Dylan describing a trip he took to New Orleans doesn't accomplish.

Thank you.

I made the huge mistake of reading Pete and Neil's books back to back.
One was almost tiresomely exhaustive in its description of muse, writing, recording and life of the song afterwards. The other, completely barren if anything like that.

Such a head wreck.

You think Neil is gonna start talking about After the Goldrush, but then he goes into intense detail about the desk it was recorded on. And that's all.

Infuriating.

stip wrote:

stupidmop wrote:Something like that would depend entirely on whether your thoughts on the album are similar, or at least not at odds with the authors no? Like im pretty sure if i ever read an essay on binaural by stip it will make me a) wanna cry or b) throw the book out the window.

I was talking about the outside stuff like people mentioning tension in the band or with drummers for example during vitalogy/no code, when really we don't know what was going on. Though i guess you could avoid that shit completely.

You can test that theory! I think the binaural guided tour was my best one

That wasn't a slight on you btw. You were the intelligent person! But your feelings on binaural make me sad.

You know if ed released a book it would be about how everything is a wave, or it would be chock full of the most over indulgent metaphors confined to one book. It'd either be glorious or head ache inducing.

dimejinky99 wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

stupidmop wrote:Something like that would depend entirely on whether your thoughts on the album are similar, or at least not at odds with the authors no? Like im pretty sure if i ever read an essay on binaural by stip it will make me a) wanna cry or b) throw the book out the window.

I was talking about the outside stuff like people mentioning tension in the band or with drummers for example during vitalogy/no code, when really we don't know what was going on. Though i guess you could avoid that shit completely.

Meh… I don't need super specifics about that stuff. If you tell me there was tension in the band and that there was the potential for a break up, that's enough to inform my understanding of that aspect of it. And the problem is, all of those stories now are going to be shaded by memory. Unless you're Glen Frey, and time has only made you more impressed with your own dickishness, things get cloudy. Pete Townsend's book was great, and he is consistently insightful and poignant when talking about music, but even that book was occasionally an exercise in adjusted storytelling.

On the other hand, when I read Highway 61 described as the story of a journey down a mythical highway, through a surreal and Wonderlandish American landscape, rushing southward only to find that the intended destination of escape is already overloaded with the maddened ghosts of America's culture and memory...even the postcards they sold of a lynching in Bob's home territory, where the journey begins...I'm pretty sure I listen to that record more in the two months that followed then in the two years prior. My perception of the record was changed...or maybe just honed...in a way that Bob Dylan describing a trip he took to New Orleans doesn't accomplish.

Thank you.

I made the huge mistake of reading Pete and Neil's books back to back.
One was almost tiresomely exhaustive in its description of muse, writing, recording and life of the song afterwards. The other, completely barren if anything like that.

Such a head wreck.

You think Neil is gonna start talking about After the Goldrush, but then he goes into intense detail about the desk it was recorded on. And that's all.

Infuriating.

That, and Pete can be really open about embarrassing or unflattering asides, and can go into great detail about specific events...and then breeze past any useful reflection on the music itself after about 1969.

Strat wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:I don't hate em!!
Quite the opposite. Still a bit sick about that sham of a contest the other day but other than that its just feeling like time to move on. All my peers have.

PJ can come with you. There is plenty of room for all sorts of music. Somedays PJ may make you cry, other days you wont think twice about them. Thats okay.

Your fandom probably needs to change, because Pearl Jam has changed, but it doesn't need to disappear. I enjoy the current music, and the current band, in a different (more superficial) way than I enjoyed them before 2006. But that doesn't mean I don't enjoy them. I enjoy them differently; they're just a different type of band now. They've changed, you've changed, now you just enjoy what you enjoy and leave the rest. I don't see the point of "moving on", personally, because I'm not sure where I would move on to. It's not like I never liked other bands; I have plenty of other musical interests, and always have. PJ used to be way better than all of them. Now they're just one of them, which is fine. But I've been a fan for 23 years, it's not going to just disappear.

stupidmop wrote:

stip wrote:

stupidmop wrote:Something like that would depend entirely on whether your thoughts on the album are similar, or at least not at odds with the authors no? Like im pretty sure if i ever read an essay on binaural by stip it will make me a) wanna cry or b) throw the book out the window.

I was talking about the outside stuff like people mentioning tension in the band or with drummers for example during vitalogy/no code, when really we don't know what was going on. Though i guess you could avoid that shit completely.

You can test that theory! I think the binaural guided tour was my best one

That wasn't a slight on you btw. You were the intelligent person! But your feelings on binaural make me sad.

You know if ed released a book it would be about how everything is a wave, or it would be chock full of the most over indulgent metaphors confined to one book. It'd either be glorious or head ache inducing.

The only way it'd be great would be if Stone read the audiobook, so we could hear the poorly suppressed deep, irritated "this is what has become of my life" breath that would punctuate every sentence.

harmless wrote:

Strat wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:I don't hate em!!
Quite the opposite. Still a bit sick about that sham of a contest the other day but other than that its just feeling like time to move on. All my peers have.

PJ can come with you. There is plenty of room for all sorts of music. Somedays PJ may make you cry, other days you wont think twice about them. Thats okay.

Your fandom probably needs to change, because Pearl Jam has changed, but it doesn't need to disappear. I enjoy the current music, and the current band, in a different (more superficial) way than I enjoyed them before 2006. But that doesn't mean I don't enjoy them. I enjoy them differently; they're just a different type of band now. They've changed, you've changed, now you just enjoy what you enjoy and leave the rest. I don't see the point of "moving on", personally, because I'm not sure where I would move on to. It's not like I never liked other bands; I have plenty of other musical interests, and always have. PJ used to be way better than all of them. Now they're just one of them, which is fine. But I've been a fan for 23 years, it's not going to just disappear.

It's not them it's me.
They're not doing anything better or worse than they used to.
I watched two 95 shows on DVD last night and they were sort of awful.
Pj are a far better band now than they used to be. Live at least.
I'm just growing out of it I think.