Red Mosquito

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 3:26 pm**

We (fans) asked/hoped that TLJ would deviate from typical Star Wars, and it did in someways, which was great. I was one who complained that TFA was too familiar, so I don't feel right to heavily criticize TLJ, as we got what we asked for and largely it was great.

I would honestly change the poll here to grades:

A
B
C
D
F

I'd probably give it a B or B+, but I need to see it a few more times.

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 3:54 pm**

i miss the prequels ain't going anywhere

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 4:03 pm**

This is easily the best take on it I’ve read.

http://www.slashfilm.com/the-last-jedi-defense/

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 4:12 pm**

this is a really cool read from slashfilm..

"The Force Awakens and Rogue One: A Star Wars Story want to please you. They want to hit familiar beats and remind you why you love Star Wars. They are so much fun. But The Last Jedi doesn’t want to remind you of anything. It doesn’t care about your relationship with Star Wars. The only relationship that matters here is Rian Johnson’s relationship with Star Wars, and for the first time in a long time, here is a Star Wars movie with a proper point of view, one delivered by a storyteller who is unafraid to shatter a universe he loves, to break down the heroes that mean so much to him. A wise and noble Luke is easy. A Luke with regrets? That’s hard. That’s tough to swallow. That’s what elevates The Last Jedi beyond a simple retread – it asks you to take these characters seriously in a way that other Star Wars films have not, to acknowledge them as something beyond a vessel for escapism. Star Wars can only matter in the long run if it’s given the room to grow. And right now, it feels like the sky is the limit. Right now, Star Wars feels…unsafe.

And that feels great."

‘The Last Jedi’ Doesn’t Care What You Think About ‘Star Wars’ – And That’s Why It’s Great
http://www.slashfilm.com/the-last-jedi-defense/

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 4:34 pm**

dimejinky99 wrote:This is easily the best take on it I’ve read.

http://www.slashfilm.com/the-last-jedi-defense/

yeah i'm thinking a lot of folks won't like XIII until after IX. gotta see how the choices made this time all pay off next time. hopefully JJ goes with it instead of undoing it all, dooming this intriguing entry into the canon.

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 4:36 pm**

spike wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:This is easily the best take on it I’ve read.

http://www.slashfilm.com/the-last-jedi-defense/
yeah i'm thinking a lot of folks won't like XIII until after IX. gotta see how the choices made all pay off. hopefully JJ goes with it instead of undoing it all, dooming this intriguing entry into the canon.

Im really worried about JJ now but i cant place my finger on why.

I enjoy most of his storytelling and he had a knack for doing things a little different with his story telling. TFA was obvously safe, though i enjoyed it immensely.

I just wish Rian could finish his vision. Perhaps he will help lead and provide input on Episode 9?

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 4:53 pm**

Strat wrote:
spike wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:This is easily the best take on it I’ve read.

http://www.slashfilm.com/the-last-jedi-defense/
yeah i'm thinking a lot of folks won't like XIII until after IX. gotta see how the choices made all pay off. hopefully JJ goes with it instead of undoing it all, dooming this intriguing entry into the canon.
Im really worried about JJ now but i cant place my finger on why.

I enjoy most of his storytelling and he had a knack for doing things a little different with his story telling. TFA was obvously safe, though i enjoyed it immensely.

I just wish Rian could finish his vision. Perhaps he will help lead and provide input on Episode 9?

You just answered your own question about JJ taking over again. You don't think he's capable of seeing what this trilogy has now become through. I share your concerns.

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 4:54 pm**

Question:

Spoiler: show: Luke said Ben escaped with a few other students from the Jedi classes. Are those other students the Knights of Ren?

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 4:56 pm**

spike wrote:
Strat wrote:
spike wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:This is easily the best take on it I’ve read.

http://www.slashfilm.com/the-last-jedi-defense/
yeah i'm thinking a lot of folks won't like XIII until after IX. gotta see how the choices made all pay off. hopefully JJ goes with it instead of undoing it all, dooming this intriguing entry into the canon.
Im really worried about JJ now but i cant place my finger on why.

I enjoy most of his storytelling and he had a knack for doing things a little different with his story telling. TFA was obvously safe, though i enjoyed it immensely.

I just wish Rian could finish his vision. Perhaps he will help lead and provide input on Episode 9?
You just answered your own question about JJ taking over again. You don't think he's capable of seeing what this trilogy has now become through. I share your concerns.

Given what's happening in LA right now, I wouldn't be surprised if JJ mistreated women and is forced to leave this project, opening the door for Johnson. But Johnson probably mistreats(ed) women, too.

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 5:04 pm**

Spoiler: show: I loved Holdo. God. At first she annoyed me and I was worried she would be the spy who was helping the First ORder track them. I felt that would be obvious and a weak story to sell us.

The way the Poe story line plays off Holdo was just fantastic when she ultimately turns into a hero.

Really fantastic.

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 5:06 pm**

Also this sums up my feelings exactly:

Spoiler: show: Man, does "The Last Jedi" deliver. Rian Johnson did all the things I've never dared wish for in a Star Wars movie: he flipped every sacred cow in the franchise upside down. From Luke cavalierly chucking his own lightsaber over his shoulder after Rey hands it to him, to her parents being absolute nobodies with no connection to the Skywalker family, the movie took every expectation I had and said, "Nah, how about we do this amazing thing instead?"

Everyone has something to do in this movie, and characters actually learn something about themselves, like what they're willing to do to win the war.

Kylo Ren is absolutely the best villain in Star Wars history (Vader had simple motivations and, while terrifying, could be considered one note -- FIGHT ME INTERNET), and Adam Driver brings a depth and complexity to a role that could have ended up incredibly Anakin-like.

And that Snoke throne room scene with Rey, y'all! Did you see that shit?

More than everything else I loved about "The Last Jedi," there's one simple concept that rang true: the Force is for everyone. I can't wait to see where Star Wars goes now that it's free of so many of its shackles.

https://www.cnet.com/news/star-wars-the ... est-worst/

Lol

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 5:13 pm**

Coach wrote:Question:

Spoiler: show
Luke said Ben escaped with a few other students from the Jedi classes. Are those other students the Knights of Ren?

Spoiler: show: maybe one was rey!!1!

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 5:14 pm**

Strat wrote:
Spoiler: show
I loved Holdo. God. At first she annoyed me and I was worried she would be the spy who was helping the First ORder track them. I felt that would be obvious and a weak story to sell us.

The way the Poe story line plays off Holdo was just fantastic when she ultimately turns into a hero.

Really fantastic.

Spoiler: show: you think she and leia were scissor sisters?

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 5:16 pm**

Coach wrote:Question:

Spoiler: show
Luke said Ben escaped with a few other students from the Jedi classes. Are those other students the Knights of Ren?

Spoiler: show: I would presume so. Weren’t they the ones in red Ben and Rey fought after Snoke’s death?

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 5:17 pm**

Coach wrote:Question:

Spoiler: show
Luke said Ben escaped with a few other students from the Jedi classes. Are those other students the Knights of Ren?

we have to assume so, but it had been said previously that the ashes he smashes his helmet into in TFA are the ashes of the students he killed at the academy...the only thing is, will JJ bring the KOR back in 9? and would it not be weird then that theyre not in 8?

the KOR attack on ahch to was definitely among the cut scenes..there's footage of them filming those scenes on the MSWsite..im thinking hell bring them back..it would be a cool way to have kylo need his henchmen to help him run the first order

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 5:17 pm**

Strat wrote:Also this sums up my feelings exactly:
Spoiler: show
Man, does "The Last Jedi" deliver. Rian Johnson did all the things I've never dared wish for in a Star Wars movie: he flipped every sacred cow in the franchise upside down. From Luke cavalierly chucking his own lightsaber over his shoulder after Rey hands it to him, to her parents being absolute nobodies with no connection to the Skywalker family, the movie took every expectation I had and said, "Nah, how about we do this amazing thing instead?"

Everyone has something to do in this movie, and characters actually learn something about themselves, like what they're willing to do to win the war.

Kylo Ren is absolutely the best villain in Star Wars history (Vader had simple motivations and, while terrifying, could be considered one note -- FIGHT ME INTERNET), and Adam Driver brings a depth and complexity to a role that could have ended up incredibly Anakin-like.

And that Snoke throne room scene with Rey, y'all! Did you see that shit?

More than everything else I loved about "The Last Jedi," there's one simple concept that rang true: the Force is for everyone. I can't wait to see where Star Wars goes now that it's free of so many of its shackles.

https://www.cnet.com/news/star-wars-the ... est-worst/
Lol

Vader may be the GOAT, slow your roll. Top 3 for sure. I'd love if Kylo cracked that, but he's not there yet.

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 5:19 pm**

I move we add a "spoilers start on page 362" to the thread title and ditch the tags at this point.

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 5:19 pm**

wease wrote:
Coach wrote:Question:

Spoiler: show
Luke said Ben escaped with a few other students from the Jedi classes. Are those other students the Knights of Ren?

Spoiler: show
I would presume so. Weren’t they the ones in red Ben and Rey fought after Snoke’s death?

no..the KOR and pratorian guards are totally seperate...theres 8 Guards..theres 6 KOR..

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 5:20 pm**

Coach wrote:Question:

Spoiler: show
Luke said Ben escaped with a few other students from the Jedi classes. Are those other students the Knights of Ren?

i believe so

Posted: **Sat December 16, 2017 5:21 pm**

wease wrote:
Coach wrote:Question:

Spoiler: show
Luke said Ben escaped with a few other students from the Jedi classes. Are those other students the Knights of Ren?

Spoiler: show
I would presume so. Weren’t they the ones in red Ben and Rey fought after Snoke’s death?

why aren't we talking about how sexy that scene was?

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