Red Mosquito

Fuck RBI.

There are plenty of sabermetrics peeps who dismiss wins as meaningless, Brian Kenny was on MLB network the other day going on and on about how Kuroda should win the cy young over Scherzer and his main argument was because wins mean nothing.

numbers wrote:There are plenty of sabermetrics peeps who dismiss wins as meaningless, Brian Kenny was on MLB network the other day going on and on about how Kuroda should win the cy young over Scherzer and his main argument was because wins mean nothing.

It's funny how the extremes almost hold wins AGAINST a pitcher.

@SkitchP wrote:

numbers wrote:There are plenty of sabermetrics peeps who dismiss wins as meaningless, Brian Kenny was on MLB network the other day going on and on about how Kuroda should win the cy young over Scherzer and his main argument was because wins mean nothing.

It's funny how the extremes almost hold wins AGAINST a pitcher.

He certainly showed his mettle against Harvey, who is already one of the best starters in MLB.

@SkitchP wrote:

numbers wrote:There are plenty of sabermetrics peeps who dismiss wins as meaningless, Brian Kenny was on MLB network the other day going on and on about how Kuroda should win the cy young over Scherzer and his main argument was because wins mean nothing.[/]


It's funny how the extremes almost hold wins AGAINST a pitcher.

They do the same thing with rbis and hrs

numbers wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:

numbers wrote:There are plenty of sabermetrics peeps who dismiss wins as meaningless, Brian Kenny was on MLB network the other day going on and on about how Kuroda should win the cy young over Scherzer and his main argument was because wins mean nothing.[/]


It's funny how the extremes almost hold wins AGAINST a pitcher.

They do the same thing with rbis and hrs

I don't think anyone really does that, though (and uh... no one does it at all with homeruns). Sabermetric people tend to want to credit players with what they can control, especially when voting on individual awards. In that way, wins and RBI are pretty much meaningless.

Which pitcher had a better season, all else being essentially equal?

Pitcher A: 11-5, 2.50 ERA
Pitcher B: 18-2, 2.80 ERA

philpritchard wrote:

numbers wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:

numbers wrote:There are plenty of sabermetrics peeps who dismiss wins as meaningless, Brian Kenny was on MLB network the other day going on and on about how Kuroda should win the cy young over Scherzer and his main argument was because wins mean nothing.[/]


It's funny how the extremes almost hold wins AGAINST a pitcher.

They do the same thing with rbis and hrs

I don't think anyone really does that, though (and uh... no one does it at all with homeruns). Sabermetric people tend to want to credit players with what they can control, especially when voting on individual awards. In that way, wins and RBI are pretty much meaningless.

Which pitcher had a better season, all else being essentially equal?

Pitcher A: 11-5, 2.50 ERA
Pitcher B: 18-2, 2.80 ERA

Brian Kenny HATES wins. He doesn't just discount them.

@SkitchP wrote:

philpritchard wrote:

numbers wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:

numbers wrote:There are plenty of sabermetrics peeps who dismiss wins as meaningless, Brian Kenny was on MLB network the other day going on and on about how Kuroda should win the cy young over Scherzer and his main argument was because wins mean nothing.[/]


It's funny how the extremes almost hold wins AGAINST a pitcher.

They do the same thing with rbis and hrs

I don't think anyone really does that, though (and uh... no one does it at all with homeruns). Sabermetric people tend to want to credit players with what they can control, especially when voting on individual awards. In that way, wins and RBI are pretty much meaningless.

Which pitcher had a better season, all else being essentially equal?

Pitcher A: 11-5, 2.50 ERA
Pitcher B: 18-2, 2.80 ERA

Brian Kenny HATES wins. He doesn't just discount them.

His hatred of wins is so over the top outrageous. He is the poster child for sabermetrics gone too far.

numbers wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:

philpritchard wrote:

numbers wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:

numbers wrote:There are plenty of sabermetrics peeps who dismiss wins as meaningless, Brian Kenny was on MLB network the other day going on and on about how Kuroda should win the cy young over Scherzer and his main argument was because wins mean nothing.[/]


It's funny how the extremes almost hold wins AGAINST a pitcher.

They do the same thing with rbis and hrs

I don't think anyone really does that, though (and uh... no one does it at all with homeruns). Sabermetric people tend to want to credit players with what they can control, especially when voting on individual awards. In that way, wins and RBI are pretty much meaningless.

Which pitcher had a better season, all else being essentially equal?

Pitcher A: 11-5, 2.50 ERA
Pitcher B: 18-2, 2.80 ERA

Brian Kenny HATES wins. He doesn't just discount them.

His hatred of wins is so over the top outrageous. He is the poster child for sabermetrics gone too far.

It's like when C_B decided he didn't believe in god anymore.

only thing he hates more than wins, is bunting!

i really dislike him, and love when the ex-players give him the "shut up dude, did you even play the game? WE DID" look, but at the same time... its good having the different opinion on the network/shows... gives it some spice

Brian Kenny definitely plays it up to have a "debate" show. I really wish MLB Network wouldn't do that ESPN bullshit.

cutuphalfdead wrote:Brian Kenny definitely plays it up to have a "debate" show. I really wish MLB Network wouldn't do that ESPN bullshit.

It doesnt really work on that show either, Reynolds isnt going to debate him, he's just like "bro, you need to chill, wins mean something."

numbers wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:Brian Kenny definitely plays it up to have a "debate" show. I really wish MLB Network wouldn't do that ESPN bullshit.

It doesnt really work on that show either, Reynolds isnt going to debate him, he's just like "bro, you need to chill, wins mean something."

That show is awful.

numbers wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:

philpritchard wrote:

numbers wrote:

@SkitchP wrote:

numbers wrote:There are plenty of sabermetrics peeps who dismiss wins as meaningless, Brian Kenny was on MLB network the other day going on and on about how Kuroda should win the cy young over Scherzer and his main argument was because wins mean nothing.[/]


It's funny how the extremes almost hold wins AGAINST a pitcher.

They do the same thing with rbis and hrs

I don't think anyone really does that, though (and uh... no one does it at all with homeruns). Sabermetric people tend to want to credit players with what they can control, especially when voting on individual awards. In that way, wins and RBI are pretty much meaningless.

Which pitcher had a better season, all else being essentially equal?

Pitcher A: 11-5, 2.50 ERA
Pitcher B: 18-2, 2.80 ERA

Brian Kenny HATES wins. He doesn't just discount them.

His hatred of wins is so over the top outrageous. He is the poster child for sabermetrics gone too far.

I honestly don't even really know who he is, but it sounds like he's the poster child for a misunderstanding of sabermetrics.

i hope kruk is ok, they are saying dehydration

Wins are a junk stat that should be ignored.

Scherzer should win the Cy Young anyway because when you ignore the wins he's still had the best season.

Joesanity wrote:Wins are a junk stat that should be ignored.

Scherzer should win the Cy Young anyway because when you ignore the wins he's still had the best season.

Right because the team that finishes the season with the best WAR wins the division.

numbers wrote:

Joesanity wrote:Wins are a junk stat that should be ignored.

Scherzer should win the Cy Young anyway because when you ignore the wins he's still had the best season.

Right because the team that finishes the season with the best WAR wins the division.

Wins are a great way to evaluate a team, just not an individual pitcher.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

numbers wrote:

Joesanity wrote:Wins are a junk stat that should be ignored.

Scherzer should win the Cy Young anyway because when you ignore the wins he's still had the best season.

Right because the team that finishes the season with the best WAR wins the division.

Wins are a great way to evaluate a team, just not an individual pitcher.

numbers wrote:

Joesanity wrote:Wins are a junk stat that should be ignored.

Scherzer should win the Cy Young anyway because when you ignore the wins he's still had the best season.

Right because the team that finishes the season with the best WAR wins the division.

No one has even mentioned WAR. We're talking about things like ERA, strikeouts, WHIP... you know, things the pitcher has some kind of control over.

Here's something for you: Max Scherzer's run support this year is 7.32 runs/9 innings. Of course he's winning a lot - it's like his opposing pitcher is a AA pitcher every single night. If Scherzer had a 5.50 ERA, he would likely still have a better record than Felix Hernandez.