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Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 7:16 pm
by 4/5
cutuphalfdead wrote:Well, socialism involves doing things and libertarianism involves not doing things so I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with you there.
:lol:

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 7:16 pm
by Strat
To me it seems the biggest changes in the past few years has been socially progressive ideas, none of which are due to the republicans having a hold at the state and local levels. So, im just not sure what they have all benefited from other than digging their heels in and major political posturing.

i still think they are a mess and need real leadership before they can be taken seriously anymore. When the speaker of the house steps down because he can't deal with it, you know its a shit storm.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 7:17 pm
by BurtReynolds
cutuphalfdead wrote:Well, socialism involves doing things and libertarianism involves not doing things so I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with you there.
Just tell me where to pick up my welfare check.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 7:18 pm
by Strat
BurtReynolds wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:Well, socialism involves doing things and libertarianism involves not doing things so I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with you there.
Just tell me where to pick up my welfare check.
Ruddo mails them out every month to the rm members.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 7:18 pm
by Norah
If you think the Republicans aren't dominating outside of the federal level just look at states like North Carolina. Should be a solid blend of purple but the GOP has a stranglehold on everything.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 7:18 pm
by BurtReynolds
E.H. Ruddock wrote:I'm glad my bitching post about the electoral college didn't go any further. I'm too lazy to talk about it anyway.
Is anyone actually pro-electoral college?

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 7:19 pm
by E.H. Ruddock
cutuphalfdead wrote:If you think the Republicans aren't dominating outside of the federal level just look at states like North Carolina. Should be a solid blend of purple but the GOP has a stranglehold on everything.
RIP Pearl Jam playing the South.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 7:19 pm
by LoathedVermin72
stip it's pretty irresponsible to say all libertarians are annoying.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 7:19 pm
by Norah
BurtReynolds wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:I'm glad my bitching post about the electoral college didn't go any further. I'm too lazy to talk about it anyway.
Is anyone actually pro-electoral college?
Honestly, it really doesn't matter. There's only been a discrepancy between the popular vote and the electoral vote, what, twice?

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 7:20 pm
by nyquillyn
This graphic is staggering to me. How can the GOP beat these odds (nationally) without drastic changes? I mean essentially all their numbers are shrinking when all the Dems numbers are increasing. I think even the Mormon church has admitted recently that their numbers are essentially flat.

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Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 7:20 pm
by BurtReynolds
cutuphalfdead wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:I'm glad my bitching post about the electoral college didn't go any further. I'm too lazy to talk about it anyway.
Is anyone actually pro-electoral college?
Honestly, it really doesn't matter. There's only been a discrepancy between the popular vote and the electoral vote, what, twice?
It probably affects who gets nominated to some degree, though.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 7:20 pm
by Strat
America why wont you just ban the fucking electoral college

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 7:21 pm
by Norah
Fortunately for the Republicans, the national legislature is made up of a bunch of local elections.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 7:21 pm
by Norah
BurtReynolds wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:I'm glad my bitching post about the electoral college didn't go any further. I'm too lazy to talk about it anyway.
Is anyone actually pro-electoral college?
Honestly, it really doesn't matter. There's only been a discrepancy between the popular vote and the electoral vote, what, twice?
It probably affects who gets nominated to some degree, though.
Not disagreeing, but can you expand on this? I haven't really thought about it in terms of the nomination process.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 7:21 pm
by tommymtcom
LoathedVermin72 wrote:stip it's pretty irresponsible to say all libertarians are annoying.
I think maybe he meant to say Amoral.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 7:29 pm
by Simple Torture
turned2black wrote:This graphic is staggering to me. How can the GOP beat these odds (nationally) without drastic changes? I mean essentially all their numbers are shrinking when all the Dems numbers are increasing. I think even the Mormon church has admitted recently that their numbers are essentially flat.

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As people said a few pages ago, it comes down to participation at times. Also, that graph is a little wonky, I think; surely, there are way more Evangelical Christians in the US than people who don't affiliate with a religion, so that +46 equals way more votes than the +36 on the other side.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 7:29 pm
by 4/5
Since 2010, Republicans have gained:
11 governor positions
13 Senate seats
69 House seats
913 seats in state House/Senates combined (giving Republicans about 4,100/7,000ish)
30 state legislature chambers (there are 99 total)

They have full control of 24 state governments (governor and both houses) (Democrats control 7)
They have full control of 30 state legislatures

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 7:30 pm
by Simple Torture
All politics is local, am I right?

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 7:30 pm
by BurtReynolds
cutuphalfdead wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:I'm glad my bitching post about the electoral college didn't go any further. I'm too lazy to talk about it anyway.
Is anyone actually pro-electoral college?
Honestly, it really doesn't matter. There's only been a discrepancy between the popular vote and the electoral vote, what, twice?
It probably affects who gets nominated to some degree, though.
Not disagreeing, but can you expand on this? I haven't really thought about it in terms of the nomination process.
um... no not really, I was actually getting that confused with the stupid primary process (Iowa and New Hampshire especially), which is another stupid thing.

I think it forces candidates to spend time and energy on smaller states with voters with higher voting power. If it were truly 1 person = 1 vote, seems like they would pander to states like California a lot more. I gotta think that campaigns would be run very differently without the Electoral College.

Plus we wouldn't have all this red state/blue state nonsense that's mostly a myth anyway.

Re: Election 2016

Posted: Wed December 09, 2015 7:32 pm
by Strat
4/5 wrote:Since 2010, Republicans have gained:
11 governor positions
13 Senate seats
69 House seats
913 seats in state House/Senates combined (giving Republicans about 4,100/7,000ish)
30 state legislature chambers (there are 99 total)

They have full control of 24 state governments (governor and both houses) (Democrats control 7)
They have full control of 30 state legislatures
Serious question: What has this gotten them? What have they been able to accomplish as far as a republican or conservative agenda.