Red Mosquito

I don't think Catwoman is in any remote danger of being perceived as a submissive to batman, or nothing more than a plaything for him. Her whole character has always been the opposite of this, so it's not some interesting new choice. Her Catwoman seems like the most generic, expected take on Catwoman imaginable.

That said, it does sound from the interview that she wasn't just virtue signaling. Just making a pretty obvious choice about a vapid character.

Why am I taking about this? This is a show for children.

tree_ wrote:So, if we know she's bisexual from the comics, I guess it is messed up that hollywood feels the need to sanitize the character for mainstream audiences.. cause I never really got that impression from the movies.. just thought she was manipulative

yep, exactly; I think Zoe is just telling the fans who feel represented by comic Catwoman that she thought about them, even if no one else does

BurtReynolds wrote:I don't think Catwoman is in any remote danger of being perceived as a submissive to batman, or nothing more than a plaything for him. Her whole character has always been the opposite of this, so it's not some interesting new choice. Her Catwoman seems like the most generic, expected take on Catwoman imaginable.

That said, it does sound from the interview that she wasn't just virtue signaling. Just making a pretty obvious choice about a vapid character.

Why am I taking about this? This is a show for children.

This is about representation. I want to know if Poison Ivy and Catwoman ever had intercourse

tree_ wrote:So, if we know she's bisexual from the comics, I guess it is messed up that hollywood feels the need to sanitize the character for mainstream audiences.. cause I never really got that impression from the movies.. just thought she was manipulative

There's the slightest tinge of a hint of that in The Dark Knight Rises, with Juno Temple. But it's barely there, probably because it's a PG-13 movie from a decade ago and the studio thought it was inherently risque

tree_ wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:I don't think Catwoman is in any remote danger of being perceived as a submissive to batman, or nothing more than a plaything for him. Her whole character has always been the opposite of this, so it's not some interesting new choice. Her Catwoman seems like the most generic, expected take on Catwoman imaginable.

That said, it does sound from the interview that she wasn't just virtue signaling. Just making a pretty obvious choice about a vapid character.

Why am I taking about this? This is a show for children.

This is about representation. I want to know if Poison Ivy and Catwoman ever had intercourse

Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn sure have! Very woke intercourse.

nice

BurtReynolds wrote:I don't think Catwoman is in any remote danger of being perceived as a submissive to batman, or nothing more than a plaything for him. Her whole character has always been the opposite of this, so it's not some interesting new choice. Her Catwoman seems like the most generic, expected take on Catwoman imaginable.

That said, it does sound from the interview that she wasn't just virtue signaling. Just making a pretty obvious choice about a vapid character.

Why am I taking about this? This is a show for children.

the women of superhero stories have historically been written to serve the male hero, without agency, without a brain of their own; there has been a push to change that in recent times and Zoe is just saying that she's part of that

i like what i did with this thread.

good job.

Ms Harmless wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:I don't think Catwoman is in any remote danger of being perceived as a submissive to batman, or nothing more than a plaything for him. Her whole character has always been the opposite of this, so it's not some interesting new choice. Her Catwoman seems like the most generic, expected take on Catwoman imaginable.

That said, it does sound from the interview that she wasn't just virtue signaling. Just making a pretty obvious choice about a vapid character.

Why am I taking about this? This is a show for children.

the women of superhero stories have historically been written to serve the male hero, without agency, without a brain of their own; there has been a push to change that in recent times and Zoe is just saying that she's part of that

not sexually, though? From what I've seen she just sort of latches on to Batman's plan to save the day, cause of her own survival instincts and cause it's a good plan, not cause of some kind of sexual dominance? I just think she's always been a shady character, and I wouldn't want a character like that to represent me, cauase I don't wanna be shady

also, what we call "sexuality" isn't just about who we've fucked; it's also about our romantic orientation, the people we're made to want to love, date, flirt with, etc

Ms Harmless wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:I don't think Catwoman is in any remote danger of being perceived as a submissive to batman, or nothing more than a plaything for him. Her whole character has always been the opposite of this, so it's not some interesting new choice. Her Catwoman seems like the most generic, expected take on Catwoman imaginable.

That said, it does sound from the interview that she wasn't just virtue signaling. Just making a pretty obvious choice about a vapid character.

Why am I taking about this? This is a show for children.

the women of superhero stories have historically been written to serve the male hero, without agency, without a brain of their own; there has been a push to change that in recent times and Zoe is just saying that she's part of that

That's not remotely true of very many female comic characters in the last 40 years, especially Catwoman, a character who literally uses other characters as cat toys. It's her whole thing.

now wonderwoman as a lesbian i could get behind

tree_ wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:I don't think Catwoman is in any remote danger of being perceived as a submissive to batman, or nothing more than a plaything for him. Her whole character has always been the opposite of this, so it's not some interesting new choice. Her Catwoman seems like the most generic, expected take on Catwoman imaginable.

That said, it does sound from the interview that she wasn't just virtue signaling. Just making a pretty obvious choice about a vapid character.

Why am I taking about this? This is a show for children.

the women of superhero stories have historically been written to serve the male hero, without agency, without a brain of their own; there has been a push to change that in recent times and Zoe is just saying that she's part of that

not sexually, though? From what I've seen she just sort of latches on to Batman's plan to save the day, cause of her own survival instincts and cause it's a good plan, not cause of some kind of sexual dominance? I just think she's always been a shady character, and I wouldn't want a character like that to represent me, cauase I don't wanna be shady

you only like morally good characters? some people enjoy villains and morally grey characters

Catwoman is obviously a sexual person, I don't know why you consider that debatable

tree, why have an opinion at all here? You haven't seen the movie and don't intend on seeing it so maybe sit this one out.

no i'm just saying if i possess a quality or characteristic that I would want represented in a character in a hollywood movie cause I want to raise awareness of it in the public, i would probably want it represented by a more wholesome character.. cause that's what it's all about, public perception, right?

JuanHamm wrote:tree, why have an opinion at all here? You haven't seen the movie and don't intend on seeing it so maybe sit this one out.

i don't even know what my opinion is though.. just talking

BurtReynolds wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:I don't think Catwoman is in any remote danger of being perceived as a submissive to batman, or nothing more than a plaything for him. Her whole character has always been the opposite of this, so it's not some interesting new choice. Her Catwoman seems like the most generic, expected take on Catwoman imaginable.

That said, it does sound from the interview that she wasn't just virtue signaling. Just making a pretty obvious choice about a vapid character.

Why am I taking about this? This is a show for children.

the women of superhero stories have historically been written to serve the male hero, without agency, without a brain of their own; there has been a push to change that in recent times and Zoe is just saying that she's part of that

That's not remotely true of very many female comic characters in the last 40 years, especially Catwoman, a character who literally uses other characters as cat toys. It's her whole thing.

it's true to varying degrees in comic books and comic book movies; if Catwoman was always something of an outlier, then that's one reason she is so loved by female comic book fans; it doesn't mean Catwoman has always been written and portrayed in all the best ways

tree_ wrote:

JuanHamm wrote:tree, why have an opinion at all here? You haven't seen the movie and don't intend on seeing it so maybe sit this one out.

i don't even know what my opinion is though.. just talking

I want to believe you are this innocent, but I simply can't.

I don't know I'd say for most of my lifetime DC has had its fair share of strong female characters. At least from my perspective and feel free to take that for what its worth but characters like Lois Lane, Dinah Lance, Wonder Woman, Zatanna, Hawkgirl and any of the various female Bat Family members to name a few are all written with brains and agency.

JuanHamm wrote:

tree_ wrote:

JuanHamm wrote:tree, why have an opinion at all here? You haven't seen the movie and don't intend on seeing it so maybe sit this one out.

i don't even know what my opinion is though.. just talking

I want to believe you are this innocent, but I simply can't.

I don't understand your beef here. We're talking about representation in Hollywood, and I've already said I think it's messed up they choose to sanitize the character. I'm just taking it a step further by saying I'd rather more mainstream wholesome characters had these qualities.