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Re: Anybody want a Corona?

Posted: Wed July 29, 2020 2:33 pm
by verb_to_trust
Weird headline. Is wearing a mask protective now? I thought it only helped keep others from getting sick? Whoever Jake Sherman is was so excited to point it out he couldn't even spell "the" in the tweet.

Re: Anybody want a Corona?

Posted: Wed July 29, 2020 2:51 pm
by wease
We had a patient test positive about a week ago. She lives with her sister's family and their 90-year-old mother. She went home and told everyone she was negative and has just been carrying on like nothing has happened. Her sister came in 2 days ago and her test came back positive today. And today the sister's husband came in with a fever and we tested him.

Re: Anybody want a Corona?

Posted: Wed July 29, 2020 2:53 pm
by McParadigm
verb_to_trust wrote:Weird headline. Is wearing a mask protective now? I thought it only helped keep others from getting sick? Whoever Jake Sherman is was so excited to point it out he couldn't even spell "the" in the tweet.
Yes, masks are meant to protect those around you. And because we have learned over the last few months that you can be contagious before you are symptomatic (or without ever being symptomatic), they have their biggest impact on infection rates when people who aren’t or don’t believe they are sick wear them as well. This research, of course, resulted in the CDC and other health professionals beginning to advocate last month for everyone to wear a mask when in public. Which produced a big whiny meltdown in some conservative circles, of which Gohmert is part.

By refusing to wear a mask for the last week or two, he may have exposed others unnecessarily. Not a weird headline.

Re: Anybody want a Corona?

Posted: Wed July 29, 2020 2:55 pm
by Bi_3
verb_to_trust wrote:Weird headline. Is wearing a mask protective now? I thought it only helped keep others from getting sick? Whoever Jake Sherman is was so excited to point it out he couldn't even spell "the" in the tweet.
Recent research suggests masks can lower the amount of virus you intake (viral load) possibly leading to less severe symptoms in people with healthy immune systems.

Re: Anybody want a Corona?

Posted: Wed July 29, 2020 2:58 pm
by verb_to_trust
McParadigm wrote:
verb_to_trust wrote:Weird headline. Is wearing a mask protective now? I thought it only helped keep others from getting sick? Whoever Jake Sherman is was so excited to point it out he couldn't even spell "the" in the tweet.
Yes, masks are meant to protect those around you. And because we have learned over the last few months that you can be contagious before you are symptomatic (or without ever being symptomatic), they have their biggest impact on infection rates when people who aren’t or don’t believe they are sick wear them as well. This research, of course, resulted in the CDC and other health professionals beginning to advocate last month for everyone to wear a mask when in public. Which produced a big whiny meltdown in some conservative circles, of which Gohmert is part.

By refusing to wear a mask for the last week or two, he may have exposed others unnecessarily. Not a weird headline.
It doesn't explain how he got tghe virus in the first place.

Re: Anybody want a Corona?

Posted: Wed July 29, 2020 2:59 pm
by verb_to_trust
Bi_3 wrote:
verb_to_trust wrote:Weird headline. Is wearing a mask protective now? I thought it only helped keep others from getting sick? Whoever Jake Sherman is was so excited to point it out he couldn't even spell "the" in the tweet.
Recent research suggests masks can lower the amount of virus you intake (viral load) possibly leading to less severe symptoms in people with healthy immune systems.
What if I have O+ blood but am over 6 feet tall, and have a mask with three fabric layers instead of only two?

Re: Anybody want a Corona?

Posted: Wed July 29, 2020 3:03 pm
by McParadigm
wease wrote:We had a patient test positive about a week ago. She lives with her sister's family and their 90-year-old mother. She went home and told everyone she was negative and has just been carrying on like nothing has happened. Her sister came in 2 days ago and her test came back positive today. And today the sister's husband came in with a fever and we tested him.
I heard a similar story from a close friend in Omaha this weekend.

An uncle on his mom’s side tested positive a few weeks back, but didn’t tell anyone because he was convinced that it’s just a bad flu and that the news is all liberal bs. Went to a family gathering, spent time with everyone, had fun, etc.

Anyways, he’s dead now.

Meanwhile, thanks to him, one of his siblings has tested positive. So has his son, who is in the hospital. Everyone else, my friend included, is in quarantine. They didn’t find out about the exposure until days after the fact, so he’s also worried that he might have exposed his wife and son, or other teachers he works with.

Re: Anybody want a Corona?

Posted: Wed July 29, 2020 3:03 pm
by McParadigm
verb_to_trust wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
verb_to_trust wrote:Weird headline. Is wearing a mask protective now? I thought it only helped keep others from getting sick? Whoever Jake Sherman is was so excited to point it out he couldn't even spell "the" in the tweet.
Yes, masks are meant to protect those around you. And because we have learned over the last few months that you can be contagious before you are symptomatic (or without ever being symptomatic), they have their biggest impact on infection rates when people who aren’t or don’t believe they are sick wear them as well. This research, of course, resulted in the CDC and other health professionals beginning to advocate last month for everyone to wear a mask when in public. Which produced a big whiny meltdown in some conservative circles, of which Gohmert is part.

By refusing to wear a mask for the last week or two, he may have exposed others unnecessarily. Not a weird headline.
It doesn't explain how he got tghe virus in the first place.
Yeah it’s anybody’s guess

Re: Anybody want a Corona?

Posted: Wed July 29, 2020 3:07 pm
by Higgs
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verb_to_trust wrote:Just pay people to stay home with their kids and mandate they watch Daniel Tiger. That's how we beat this.
This is the truth.
What tv show do you propose the lockdown parents teach their kids with, if not Daniel Tigers Neighborhood?
Frasier
Some of the cultural references in Frasier are too advanced I'm afraid for your average anti vax karen.
My only point here was in relation to paying people to stay at home. That is a genuine possible response to the current situation that has worked to control the pandemic in other countries.
You should pay us Higgs. All 330 million of us. For however long it takes. Do you use venmo or PayPal?
Well, I guess someone should be paying. I mean your own government can't get its shit together at the moment to sort out continuing to pay unemployment benefits.
it's part of standard negotiation to wait until the last possible moment to strike a deal

but if AUS citizens or govt have advice on how to be so successful feel free to send a recommendation letter

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKCN24R021
The US operates a system that on occasion requires Government Shut-downs for all but absolutely essential spending. This because the people who have been democratically voted in to govern are unable to agree to terms. Didn't the last one go on for a month or something? Who really needs garbage collectors anyway though.

You as citizens must love the "domination" tactics of last minute negotiation employed by your politicians. I mean, reasoned arguments and occasional compromise are way overrated in politics anyway.

I won't waste my ink on sending suggestions - it's obviously already a great system.The greatest in the world, probably. Everyone's saying it.
And Parliamentary systems often require dissolution of their government and can't re-form one because they don't agree. But it's usually temporary, like the shutdowns. That's the nature of negotiations in a democracy. Sometimes you don't agree, and it takes longer to work it out.

I don't worry about last-minute negotiation tactics by 'my politicians', because this is the 10th+ year I can remember where people have stressed over a supposed apocalypse government 'no deal' and there always is one. Even if this comes a week or a month past the $600 cutoff, the show will go on. A deal will happen. And in the meantime, the Federal Reserve will do everything in its power, which is a lot, to keep things afloat.

What I am more annoyed about is chronic US-bashing - in the midst of a pandemic where 100,000+ innocent people have died - by crybaby commonwealth faux european wannabees that feel the need to prove they are societally superior to the US - based on their deep knowledge of internet news articles - to the point of obsession, and daily routine - their identities apparently dependent on establishing themselves as 'not the US' - meanwhile, their countries share many of the negative attributes plaguing the degenerate US new cycle currently, such as: record coronavirus deaths of their own, and systemic racism in their country - and also, a PM that sucks Donald Trump's cock - which is more pathetic than anything on this planet, because he can 'choose' not to, but does. Add to that a military dependency on the US, reliance on Russian and Chinese money to keep segments of their economies going, allegiance to a Queen, in the year 2020; and being unable stand up a respectable technology firm for the life of them - relying on US intellectual capital to fuel improvements in their standard of living - and it really just starts to look like a pathetic self-esteem problem.

Maybe the problem is not 'the US being better than everyone else' - maybe, just maybe, the problem is there are people who are obsessed with 'being better than the US' and apparently just can't look away because:
Spoiler: show
they know they are not better than the US
I'm really impressed (and kind of surprised) by your obsessed patriotism here. It's good to love your country. Not certain why my posts seem to trigger the response in you, but you do you I guess.

A few rebuttals of you don't mind:
numbers wrote:What I am more annoyed about is chronic US-bashing - in the midst of a pandemic where 100,000+ innocent people have died

I don't believe pointing out some negatives on the US system (from my understanding of it) is "chronic US bashing" though.

And as far as the deaths go, my God, I have nothing but sadness and compassion. And anger. Because for sure the people who were responsible in the US fucked this majorly. And that seriously sucks.
numbers wrote:...- by crybaby commonwealth faux european wannabees...
This I will not accept. I don't wanna be anything other than the Australian that I am. I do cry easily however.
numbers wrote:... that feel the need to prove they are societally superior to the US...


But we are.
numbers wrote:...- based on their deep knowledge of internet news articles - to the point of obsession, and daily routine - their identities apparently dependent on establishing themselves as 'not the US' -
...riiiight...
numbers wrote:...meanwhile, their countries share many of the negative attributes plaguing the degenerate US new cycle currently, such as: record coronavirus deaths of their own, and systemic racism in their country...
Totally agreed. We have many, many issues. We have our shame, absolutely.
numbers wrote:... - and also, a PM that sucks Donald Trump's cock - which is more pathetic than anything on this planet, because he can 'choose' not to, but does. Add to that a military dependency on the US, reliance on Russian and Chinese money to keep segments of their economies going, allegiance to a Queen, in the year 2020; and being unable stand up a respectable technology firm for the life of them - relying on US intellectual capital to fuel improvements in their standard of living - and it really just starts to look like a pathetic self-esteem problem
Ummm...sorry, you lost me here. But I'm sure you make great points.

I will now forever picture you wearing your bright red MAGA cap.

Re: Anybody want a Corona?

Posted: Wed July 29, 2020 3:13 pm
by verb_to_trust
Maybe we just don't want to hear a bunch of I told you so's and finger wagging from people who don't live here? It's obnoxious.

Re: Anybody want a Corona?

Posted: Wed July 29, 2020 3:22 pm
by Higgs
McParadigm wrote:
wease wrote:We had a patient test positive about a week ago. She lives with her sister's family and their 90-year-old mother. She went home and told everyone she was negative and has just been carrying on like nothing has happened. Her sister came in 2 days ago and her test came back positive today. And today the sister's husband came in with a fever and we tested him.
I heard a similar story from a close friend in Omaha this weekend.

An uncle on his mom’s side tested positive a few weeks back, but didn’t tell anyone because he was convinced that it’s just a bad flu and that the news is all liberal bs. Went to a family gathering, spent time with everyone, had fun, etc.

Anyways, he’s dead now.

Meanwhile, thanks to him, one of his siblings has tested positive. So has his son, who is in the hospital. Everyone else, my friend included, is in quarantine. They didn’t find out about the exposure until days after the fact, so he’s also worried that he might have exposed his wife and son, or other teachers he works with.
I'm sorry all around here. Fucking hell.

Re: Anybody want a Corona?

Posted: Wed July 29, 2020 3:24 pm
by Higgs
verb_to_trust wrote:Maybe we just don't want to hear a bunch of I told you so's and finger wagging from people who don't live here? It's obnoxious.

So I have to put up with you being a wanker of the highest regard but you can't deal with me being obnoxious? I thought you were a tough guy.

Re: Anybody want a Corona?

Posted: Wed July 29, 2020 3:34 pm
by McParadigm
verb_to_trust wrote:Maybe we just don't want to hear a bunch of I told you so's and finger wagging from people who don't live here? It's obnoxious.
Most of us aren’t this thin skinned though.

Re: Anybody want a Corona?

Posted: Wed July 29, 2020 3:34 pm
by Bi_3
Higgs wrote:
verb_to_trust wrote:Maybe we just don't want to hear a bunch of I told you so's and finger wagging from people who don't live here? It's obnoxious.

So I have to put up with you being a wanker of the highest regard but you can't deal with me being obnoxious? I thought you were a tough guy.
Not by Portland standards

Re: Anybody want a Corona?

Posted: Wed July 29, 2020 3:36 pm
by verb_to_trust
Higgs wrote:
verb_to_trust wrote:Maybe we just don't want to hear a bunch of I told you so's and finger wagging from people who don't live here? It's obnoxious.

So I have to put up with you being a wanker of the highest regard but you can't deal with me being obnoxious? I thought you were a tough guy.
I'm doing it on purpose. You're under the impression you're being magnanimous, and that we should send you a thank you card for expressing your detailed concern. You can fuck right off with that.

Re: Anybody want a Corona?

Posted: Wed July 29, 2020 3:44 pm
by Higgs
verb_to_trust wrote:
Higgs wrote:
verb_to_trust wrote:Maybe we just don't want to hear a bunch of I told you so's and finger wagging from people who don't live here? It's obnoxious.

So I have to put up with you being a wanker of the highest regard but you can't deal with me being obnoxious? I thought you were a tough guy.
I'm doing it on purpose. You're under the impression you're being magnanimous, and that we should send you a thank you card for expressing your detailed concern. You can fuck right off with that.
You really think my concern for your deaths and situation is fake? Wow.

Re: Anybody want a Corona?

Posted: Wed July 29, 2020 3:48 pm
by Superblood Wolfmoon
verb, you ought to take a break from this place.

Re: Anybody want a Corona?

Posted: Wed July 29, 2020 3:49 pm
by verb_to_trust
Higgs wrote:
verb_to_trust wrote:
Higgs wrote:
verb_to_trust wrote:Maybe we just don't want to hear a bunch of I told you so's and finger wagging from people who don't live here? It's obnoxious.

So I have to put up with you being a wanker of the highest regard but you can't deal with me being obnoxious? I thought you were a tough guy.
I'm doing it on purpose. You're under the impression you're being magnanimous, and that we should send you a thank you card for expressing your detailed concern. You can fuck right off with that.
You really think my concern for your deaths and situation is fake? Wow.
Your thoughts and prayers are very much appreciated, but not helpful, and come off as condescending

Re: Anybody want a Corona?

Posted: Wed July 29, 2020 3:50 pm
by verb_to_trust
Superblood Wolfmoon wrote:verb, you ought to take a break from this place.
Yeah okay. The one day ban I just served because people are tired of me should turn things around. Don't worry. Excellent motivational banning by the daddy mods.

Re: Anybody want a Corona?

Posted: Wed July 29, 2020 3:57 pm
by Higgs
verb_to_trust wrote:
Superblood Wolfmoon wrote:verb, you ought to take a break from this place.
Yeah okay. The one day ban I just served because people are tired of me should turn things around. Don't worry. Excellent motivational banning by the daddy mods.
Ha! I knew it felt calmer and more reasonable around here yesterday! Missed you, Hoss.