Red Mosquito

digster wrote:As time goes on, Pendulum and Yellow Moon in particular feel more away from the pack in terms of album highlights.

Mind Your Manners has remained one of the better songs, in my eyes, which surprises me considering how I felt when I first heard it.

stupidmop wrote:

Mine wrote:

stupidmop wrote: I think on a different album it would have worked well as a little interlude/non song, the problem as it is, is that the music is so different/ much more interesting than the rest of lb so it stands out too much to do that here.

That i think is a weakness and the weakness in the song writing at it. It seems to me that while what they originally come up with, the down tuned doorbell rip off here for instance i have absolutely no issue with that but they don't seem to have the skills to make more than a non song out of it and the fact that they needed someone to guide them only confirms it. I think despite all the praise Jeff's songs from LB get here they live mostly off of the vocal performances they rely on them too much even and i really love those vocal performances mind you. This is why i wouldn't be particularly exited by an album with exclusively Jeff/Stone music. They're fairly average if you consider this is their 4th decade as recording artists. I mean Pendulum isn't complex to the point you'd think it's above their skill sets.

I don't think they were trying to come up with an amazingly complex song and this was the best they could do though, I think they just put together a cool bit of music. Both Jeff and stone have written proper 'song' songs, good ones. Plus I'd take some more vague not exactly songs over more songs with a thousand parts, structured verse-verse-prechourus-chorus-solo-verse-bridge-prechorus-chorus-chorus-outro like LB or something.

harmless wrote:

Mine wrote:

warehouse wrote:

Mine wrote:

stupidmop wrote: I think on a different album it would have worked well as a little interlude/non song, the problem as it is, is that the music is so different/ much more interesting than the rest of lb so it stands out too much to do that here.

That i think is a weakness and the weakness in the song writing at it. It seems to me that while what they originally come up with, the down tuned doorbell rip off here for instance i have absolutely no issue with that but they don't seem to have the skills to make more than a non song out of it and the fact that they needed someone to guide them only confirms it. I think despite all the praise Jeff's songs from LB get here they live mostly off of the vocal performances they rely on them too much even and i really love those vocal performances mind you. This is why i wouldn't be particularly exited by an album with exclusively Jeff/Stone music. They're fairly average if you consider this is their 4th decade as recording artists. I mean Pendulum isn't complex to the point you'd think it's above their skill sets.

did u call pendulum a "non song"?

Well stupidmop did. It's a song all right. I don't think it's a non song, i think it could have been more of a song than it is cool music with a vocal line on top of it. It's better than what something like that would have been in the past.

Is it? If it's "better", I wonder whether that's just because of what's surrounding it. There was a time when it would've been a "filler" track.

Mine wrote:

stupidmop wrote:

Mine wrote:

stupidmop wrote: I think on a different album it would have worked well as a little interlude/non song, the problem as it is, is that the music is so different/ much more interesting than the rest of lb so it stands out too much to do that here.

That i think is a weakness and the weakness in the song writing at it. It seems to me that while what they originally come up with, the down tuned doorbell rip off here for instance i have absolutely no issue with that but they don't seem to have the skills to make more than a non song out of it and the fact that they needed someone to guide them only confirms it. I think despite all the praise Jeff's songs from LB get here they live mostly off of the vocal performances they rely on them too much even and i really love those vocal performances mind you. This is why i wouldn't be particularly exited by an album with exclusively Jeff/Stone music. They're fairly average if you consider this is their 4th decade as recording artists. I mean Pendulum isn't complex to the point you'd think it's above their skill sets.

I don't think they were trying to come up with an amazingly complex song and this was the best they could do though, I think they just put together a cool bit of music. Both Jeff and stone have written proper 'song' songs, good ones. Plus I'd take some more vague not exactly songs over more songs with a thousand parts, structured verse-verse-prechourus-chorus-solo-verse-bridge-prechorus-chorus-chorus-outro like LB or something.

I wouldn't expect they aren't capable of writing a song after doing this all their life but i would also expect they could write something like Pendulum without external guidance. There's a lot of ground between Pendulum and LB. Pendulum could have had more going on without turning into something completely different.

harmless wrote:

Mine wrote:

warehouse wrote:

Mine wrote:

stupidmop wrote: I think on a different album it would have worked well as a little interlude/non song, the problem as it is, is that the music is so different/ much more interesting than the rest of lb so it stands out too much to do that here.

That i think is a weakness and the weakness in the song writing at it. It seems to me that while what they originally come up with, the down tuned doorbell rip off here for instance i have absolutely no issue with that but they don't seem to have the skills to make more than a non song out of it and the fact that they needed someone to guide them only confirms it. I think despite all the praise Jeff's songs from LB get here they live mostly off of the vocal performances they rely on them too much even and i really love those vocal performances mind you. This is why i wouldn't be particularly exited by an album with exclusively Jeff/Stone music. They're fairly average if you consider this is their 4th decade as recording artists. I mean Pendulum isn't complex to the point you'd think it's above their skill sets.

did u call pendulum a "non song"?

Well stupidmop did. It's a song all right. I don't think it's a non song, i think it could have been more of a song than it is cool music with a vocal line on top of it. It's better than what something like that would have been in the past.

Is it? If it's "better", I wonder whether that's just because of what's surrounding it. There was a time when it would've been a "filler" track.

harmless wrote:

Mine wrote:

stupidmop wrote:

Mine wrote:

stupidmop wrote: I think on a different album it would have worked well as a little interlude/non song, the problem as it is, is that the music is so different/ much more interesting than the rest of lb so it stands out too much to do that here.

That i think is a weakness and the weakness in the song writing at it. It seems to me that while what they originally come up with, the down tuned doorbell rip off here for instance i have absolutely no issue with that but they don't seem to have the skills to make more than a non song out of it and the fact that they needed someone to guide them only confirms it. I think despite all the praise Jeff's songs from LB get here they live mostly off of the vocal performances they rely on them too much even and i really love those vocal performances mind you. This is why i wouldn't be particularly exited by an album with exclusively Jeff/Stone music. They're fairly average if you consider this is their 4th decade as recording artists. I mean Pendulum isn't complex to the point you'd think it's above their skill sets.

I don't think they were trying to come up with an amazingly complex song and this was the best they could do though, I think they just put together a cool bit of music. Both Jeff and stone have written proper 'song' songs, good ones. Plus I'd take some more vague not exactly songs over more songs with a thousand parts, structured verse-verse-prechourus-chorus-solo-verse-bridge-prechorus-chorus-chorus-outro like LB or something.

I wouldn't expect they aren't capable of writing a song after doing this all their life but i would also expect they could write something like Pendulum without external guidance. There's a lot of ground between Pendulum and LB. Pendulum could have had more going on without turning into something completely different.

Especially if (as appears to be the case) BoB didn't like it, so didn't want to be involved. Shit, I hope BoB doesn't like anything they bring in for the next album.

Mine wrote:

stupidmop wrote:

Mine wrote:

stupidmop wrote: I think on a different album it would have worked well as a little interlude/non song, the problem as it is, is that the music is so different/ much more interesting than the rest of lb so it stands out too much to do that here.

That i think is a weakness and the weakness in the song writing at it. It seems to me that while what they originally come up with, the down tuned doorbell rip off here for instance i have absolutely no issue with that but they don't seem to have the skills to make more than a non song out of it and the fact that they needed someone to guide them only confirms it. I think despite all the praise Jeff's songs from LB get here they live mostly off of the vocal performances they rely on them too much even and i really love those vocal performances mind you. This is why i wouldn't be particularly exited by an album with exclusively Jeff/Stone music. They're fairly average if you consider this is their 4th decade as recording artists. I mean Pendulum isn't complex to the point you'd think it's above their skill sets.

I don't think they were trying to come up with an amazingly complex song and this was the best they could do though, I think they just put together a cool bit of music. Both Jeff and stone have written proper 'song' songs, good ones. Plus I'd take some more vague not exactly songs over more songs with a thousand parts, structured verse-verse-prechourus-chorus-solo-verse-bridge-prechorus-chorus-chorus-outro like LB or something.

I wouldn't expect they aren't capable of writing a song after doing this all their life but i would also expect they could write something like Pendulum without external guidance. There's a lot of ground between Pendulum and LB. Pendulum could have had more going on without turning into something completely different.

stupidmop wrote:
Well I guess it depends on what they meant by guiding, really. He could have had a big hand it it or barely at all. It ended up sounding good anyway though, maybe they should toss bob for this dude. I do wish the end had carried on longer or something though.

As for it being a non song/filler song, I pulled that outta my ass really, I kinda put in the same area as Bugs, which feels like more of a song than aye davanita/pry to....but less than the other ones? In my head anyway. That has nothing to do with its quality anyhow, as according to the ranking thread Bugs is my 3rd favorite track on vitalogy

digster wrote:Fair enough, I admittedly started reading from the end. Maybe I was reading it wrong, but it just seemed like the argument was that Pendulum is weak cause it doesn't have more parts, or something.

Anders wrote:I'm quite certain that the next album would be their best in a while, if we got more Ament/Gossard songs. Less guidance from BO'B please.

LetMeSleep wrote:From what I gather it was meant as Pendulum was a soundscape musical idea which Ed threw some lyrics over. It was a studio project and not a 'song' per se, similar to some of the Vitalogy tracks.

Mine wrote:

Anders wrote:I'm quite certain that the next album would be their best in a while, if we got more Ament/Gossard songs. Less guidance from BO'B please.

I wish it was and was full of Big Waves and Supersonics

stupidmop wrote:They should crossbreed big wave with pendulum and do an album of mutant psychedelic surf and beach songs about death and depression and with much bongos.