A Song Of Ice and Fire (Spoilers for all Published Books)

[Mecca]

So has the "prince that was promised" ever been mentioned explicitly on the show? The best I can remember is Melisandre making references to Stannis being the only one who can stop the long night. Could you see Tyrion--a scholar who almost certainly would know about the legend of Azor Ahai--discussing the prophesy with Dany next week (implying that it could be her, but also some heavy-handed cutting for how it could be Jon too) and then in the space of two episodes, Dany flies away, Jon gets knifed, and Stannis' army is on the brink. Big cliffhanger to the end the season on the horizon.

Casting call for next season has descriptions that fit the Tarlys, which could put Sam in Oldtown. I'd place my bet on the Maesters talking about it. No one has talked about the prince that was promised in the show yet.

[epilogue]

Here's something fun. I'll put it in a spoiler because the books haven't actually gotten into this particular detail, really.

Spoiler: show

So in the Behind the Episode for this last one, the creators referred to the head White Walker (the guy on the dock at the end facing off with Jon Snow) by name. They called him: The Night King. Perhaps some of you will recall the story from Season 3 that one of the episodes from that season was originally named the same thing, but the creators changed it to avoid spoilers.

Here's a quote from a Bran chapter in ASOS that references the character:

Nan telling Bran about the Night's King:

The gathering gloom put Bran in mind of another of Old Nan’s stories, the tale of Night’s King. He had been the thirteenth man to lead the Night’s Watch, she said; a warrior who knew no fear. “And that was the fault in him,” she would add, “for all men must know fear.” A woman was his downfall; a woman glimpsed from atop the Wall, with skin as white as the moon and eyes like blue stars. Fearing nothing, he chased her and caught her and loved her, though her skin was cold as ice, and when he gave his seed to her he gave his soul as well.

He brought her back to the Nightfort and proclaimed her a queen and himself her king, and with strange sorceries he bound his Sworn Brothers to his will. For thirteen years they had ruled, Night’s King and his corpse queen, till finally the Stark of Winterfell and Joramun of the wildlings had joined to free the Watch from bondage. After his fall, when it was found he had been sacrificing to the Others, all records of Night’s King had been destroyed, his very name forbidden.

Also, note from The Game of Thrones wiki:

Spoiler: show

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Night%27s_King :

It was not until his own brother, the King in the North, and Joramun, the King-Beyond-the-Wall, joined forces that the Night’s King was brought down and the Night’s Watch freed.

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Which would mean that The Night King is.... A Stark.

Maybe that sheds a little light on why the didn't pursue Jon and/or provides a fun level of subtext to their staring contest at the end.

[Simple Torture]

I don't think anyone in this thread would consider that a spoiler...but just in case:

Spoiler: show

Yeah, last season, when the same character turned Caster's last son into an Other, HBO's website listed the character as the Night King until someone realized, "Oh, shit, should not have done that," and took it out.

I wonder if the Night King was actually a Stark bastard; I'm imagining Jon returning to the Wall, Sam explaining the history to him, and feeling a kinship with the big baddie (even though he's not really a bastard). For a while this season, I thought Jon (and the viewers) might learn his true parentage, but there's just too much going on now.

And on a slightly different tangent: people in the show thread are talking about how the dead army couldn't get into the water. Was anyone else expecting the "dead things in the water" that Jon got a note about in the books?

[epilogue]

And on a slightly different tangent: people in the show thread are talking about how the dead army couldn't get into the water. Was anyone else expecting the "dead things in the water" that Jon got a note about in the books?

I don't remember that. What happened?

[Mecca]

And on a slightly different tangent: people in the show thread are talking about how the dead army couldn't get into the water. Was anyone else expecting the "dead things in the water" that Jon got a note about in the books?

I don't remember that. What happened?

Dead things were in the water

[epilogue]

And on a slightly different tangent: people in the show thread are talking about how the dead army couldn't get into the water. Was anyone else expecting the "dead things in the water" that Jon got a note about in the books?

I don't remember that. What happened?

Dead things were in the water

[psychobain]

the Freys are fuckin gone

that sad...we need some revenge, i miss a lot of scenes from the book

[epilogue]

I've said it before and I know I'm damn near the only one, but I desperately miss all the stuff with the Iron Islands and the Kingsmoot. I miss Asha/Yara and Euron and Victarion

[Norah]

Ok, so is The Night's King a White Walker or a Wight? Because as I understand it, the White Walkers (or Others) are a separate race, and the Wights are reanimated corpses that fight for them. The Night's King looks to be much more like a White Walker, yet at one point he was human...

[Mecca]

Ok, so is The Night's King a White Walker or a Wight? Because as I understand it, the White Walkers (or Others) are a separate race, and the Wights are reanimated corpses that fight for them. The Night's King looks to be much more like a White Walker, yet at one point he was human...

so was craster's last son. they showed that the white walker transform humans into white walkers

[Norah]

Ok, so is The Night's King a White Walker or a Wight? Because as I understand it, the White Walkers (or Others) are a separate race, and the Wights are reanimated corpses that fight for them. The Night's King looks to be much more like a White Walker, yet at one point he was human...

so was craster's last son. they showed that the white walker transform humans into white walkers

Oh yeah.

[Monkey_Driven]

A lot of people are going to be pissed when Jon meets up with Ollie again. I don't think he is going to die but it will leave a really bitter taste is people's mouths for the 9 months until season 6.

[epilogue]

A lot of people are going to be pissed when Jon meets up with Ollie again. I don't think he is going to die but it will leave a really bitter taste is people's mouths for the 9 months until season 6.

Yep. It'll go well with their exploded brains when they reveal Lady Stoneheart.

[darth_vedder]

A lot of people are going to be pissed when Jon meets up with Ollie again. I don't think he is going to die but it will leave a really bitter taste is people's mouths for the 9 months until season 6.

Yep. It'll go well with their exploded brains when they reveal Lady Stoneheart.

So I accidentally came across a spoiler...

Spoiler: show

Sounds like Jon Snow dies in the "A Dance With Dragons" book. If true, what a bummer. I had high hopes for that guy.

[epilogue]

Are you not a book reader darth?

You really shouldn't be in here, let alone reading and quoting posts.

[darth_vedder]

Are you not a book reader darth?

You really shouldn't be in here, let alone reading and quoting posts.

No, I was reading some show recaps then clicked a link that took me to a site talking about 'ADWD' where...

Spoiler: show

Jon gets stabbed repeatedly and seemingly, left to die.

Now that I foolishly read that, is it true? IS IT!? I NEED TO KNOW. IT'S RUINING MY DAY!!!!!!

[Simple Torture]

Would GOT ever do a post-credits scene? I'm thinking: there hasn't been as much of a focus on reincarnation/warging on the show (at least for years), so I think Jon's death will hit show-watchers pretty hard. But I'm sure every show watcher who knows at least one book reader would hear theories about how he'll be back. But a post-credits Lady Stoneheart scene would give show-watchers basically the same feeling that all of us have (i.e., death is not the end).

[epilogue]

Are you not a book reader darth?

You really shouldn't be in here, let alone reading and quoting posts.

No, I was reading some show recaps then clicked a link that took me to a site talking about 'ADWD' where...

Spoiler: show

Jon gets stabbed repeatedly and seemingly, left to die.

Now that I foolishly read that, is it true? IS IT!? I NEED TO KNOW. IT'S RUINING MY DAY!!!!!!

I'll answer this for you if you really want to know. Just click the spoiler tag.

But then get the eff out of this thread before you see something you don't want to see! This is the Book/Spoiler thread!

Spoiler: show

It's true. We don't know for sure that he is dead and most book readers believe he is not. But he is definitely attacked and seemingly left for dead, yes.

[epilogue]

Would GOT ever do a post-credits scene? I'm thinking: there hasn't been as much of a focus on reincarnation/warging on the show (at least for years), so I think Jon's death will hit show-watchers pretty hard. But I'm sure every show watcher who knows at least one book reader would hear theories about how he'll be back. But a post-credits Lady Stoneheart scene would give show-watchers basically the same feeling that all of us have (i.e., death is not the end).

I'd be okay with a fade to black... several beats... everyone expects credits to roll... fade in to Stoneheart scene. Then credits with triumphant main theme playing!

[Mecca]

Would GOT ever do a post-credits scene? I'm thinking: there hasn't been as much of a focus on reincarnation/warging on the show (at least for years), so I think Jon's death will hit show-watchers pretty hard. But I'm sure every show watcher who knows at least one book reader would hear theories about how he'll be back. But a post-credits Lady Stoneheart scene would give show-watchers basically the same feeling that all of us have (i.e., death is not the end).

I'd be okay with a fade to black... several beats... everyone expects credits to roll... fade in to Stoneheart scene. Then credits with triumphant main theme playing!

I'd hope they don't go back to the main theme for that when there's a perfectly good song for that moment

Spoiler: show

Thriller