What we were talking about is the media fueling fantasies. Because we later learned some of it was true does take away from that. Back on topic though, I think the Camden, NJ 'abolished it's police department and things got better for the black community there' is a good example of this. They didn't abolish it. This is what happened:
Camden faced a crisis beginning in 2010, when the state slashed aid funding as part of spending cuts that Chris Christie, then the governor, imposed in the aftermath of the financial crisis.
Roughly half of Camden's 360 police officers were laid off. Arrests plummeted. Violent crime spiked.
In 2012, Camden recorded 67 homicides and 172 shooting victims. It was ranked the most dangerous city in America, with a murder rate more than 18 times the national average, according to the FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting Program.
With the city in dire straits, Christie and state Democratic lawmakers pushed to regionalize its police force. Politicians in Camden, including Dana Redd, then the mayor, lent their support to breaking up the city's all-union police department and replacing it with a larger but lower-paid force.
Despite stiff pressure from the union and an outspoken group of residents, the Camden Police Department was formally disbanded in 2013.
But that doesnt sell ads to the millions of brand new antiracists, so the headlines read 'abolished' and 'defunded', and most dont mention black community activists sued to stop it.
It's not that it turned out to be true, it's that it was true all along. And staying on topic I'll quote myself again.
elliseamos wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
elliseamos wrote: [what are you calling]"fantasy."
Defund the police, abolish prisons, etc...
But that's my point, I don't get the sense that politicians and news sources are pandering to every fantasy. I think there has been quite a lot of nuance and range to the discussion, outside of FOX, of course.
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon June 22, 2020 10:03 pm
by Rob
It's become clear that for conservatives (who I do enjoy engaging with) the plan is this:
1. Attack the liberal media
2. Throw in the obligatory "Fox is bad too" line
3. Ignore any question that asks something similar to "On the media, where do you get your news?"
4. [placeholder in case I missed something]
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon June 22, 2020 10:30 pm
by BurtReynolds
A brief history of CHAZ:
*Founder ousted as sex offender
*Taken over by a warlord
*Drug addicts fighting for control of dead crops
*Sexual assaults
*Shootings leading to death
*More shootings
*Introduction of segregation
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon June 22, 2020 10:32 pm
by epilogue
Where's that quote from?
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon June 22, 2020 10:36 pm
by BurtReynolds
Twitter
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon June 22, 2020 10:42 pm
by epilogue
You don't want to give credit to the person/people who Tweeted it?
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon June 22, 2020 10:46 pm
by BurtReynolds
durdencommatyler wrote:You don't want to give credit to the person/people who Tweeted it?
I don't believe in credit
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon June 22, 2020 10:52 pm
by epilogue
BurtReynolds wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:You don't want to give credit to the person/people who Tweeted it?
I don't believe in credit
What about blame?
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon June 22, 2020 10:54 pm
by BurtReynolds
durdencommatyler wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:You don't want to give credit to the person/people who Tweeted it?
I don't believe in credit
What about blame?
Very much believe in that. You are all guilty in mine eyes
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon June 22, 2020 10:59 pm
by washing machine
The CHAZ garden failed?
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon June 22, 2020 11:00 pm
by epilogue
BurtReynolds wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:You don't want to give credit to the person/people who Tweeted it?
I don't believe in credit
What about blame?
Very much believe in that. You are all guilty in mine eyes
What about yourn heart?
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon June 22, 2020 11:01 pm
by epilogue
washing machine wrote:The CHAZ garden failed?
No, no. Chazz Palminteri's mid-town restaurant.
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon June 22, 2020 11:03 pm
by Mickey
Calling Raz Simone a "warlord" is exceedingly racist just fyi!
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon June 22, 2020 11:03 pm
by BurtReynolds
Mickey wrote:Calling Raz Simone a "warlord" is exceedingly racist just fyi!
What title does he prefer?
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Mon June 22, 2020 11:05 pm
by BurtReynolds
Maybe he prefers it his way.
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Tue June 23, 2020 12:33 am
by Bi_3
BurtReynolds wrote:
A brief history of CHAZ:
*Founder ousted as sex offender
*Taken over by a warlord
*Drug addicts fighting for control of dead crops
*Sexual assaults
*Shootings leading to death
*More shootings
*Introduction of segregation
cite that shit. you are making it more difficult for all of us;
The Blackout looks silly to me, too, but painting a Juneteenth neighborhood celebration as OMG actual segregation just makes you look intellectually dishonest.
Blackout Schedule
3:00pm Sound Healing - Naa Akua
4:30pm Black Imagination- Natasha Marin
6:00pm Dance Party - DJ Dark_Wiley
8:00pm Blackout After Party
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Tue June 23, 2020 12:59 am
by McParadigm
More than usual, I mean.
Re: The Protest Thread
Posted: Tue June 23, 2020 1:01 am
by elliseamos
chaz/chop seems like a decent-enough microcosm of American life.