Red Mosquito

dimejinky99 wrote:This is great.

They gonna be able to match it live?

Not a chance.

well, there always has to be a least favorite song on the album. i think i found it pretty quick. hopefully they play this and the fixer back to back live so i can take a piss and get a beer.

harmless wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:This is great.

They gonna be able to match it live?

Not a chance.

They'd have to bring an Arcade Fire-like amount of musicians on stage.

Big thumbs down on the piano fade out.

warehouse wrote:well, there always has to be a least favorite song on the album. i think i found it pretty quick. hopefully they play this and the fixer back to back live so i can take a piss and get a beer.

more like hopefully they play neither wtf is wrong with you.

I think more people need to realize and let it sink in that the ending of a Pearl Jam album doesn't even have a band member playing. In fact, the final song on the album begins and ends without a member of the band playing or singing.

Think about it.

Think about it some more.











...it's time for a new producer.

they can't get rid of him. he's been plugged in a few interviews as the 6th member of the band.


In general I like what BoB did on this record. I have problems with future days, but they aren't BoB problems.

EJ wrote:

harmless wrote:

dimejinky99 wrote:This is great.

They gonna be able to match it live?

Not a chance.

They'd have to bring an Arcade Fire-like amount of musicians on stage.

Yup.

The song's working for me today. It hits the emotional spot. I think the fadeout is nice but is too fucking short. The last second or so cuts off way too abruptly.

Ugh if they keep bob theyre just gonna get more comfortable with him and the musics gonna get lamer and grosser and ew.

For a long time, my feeling about Pearl Jam has been "Well, I'm OK with this sounding like this now, but...". And that's still my feeling. I agree, further down this road and eek we may have problems. But I think it's more likely that they'll begin to get frustrated, if it honestly gets that out of hand. There was that short Dutch article which said that BoB wanted them to be more commercial and they didn't want to.

This may be my least favorite PJ track, at least that's been released on a studio record. Usually, there's something to even their worst songs that's somewhat compelling, but there's nothing here unfortunately.

harmless wrote:For a long time, my feeling about Pearl Jam has been "Well, I'm OK with this sounding like this now, but...". And that's still my feeling. I agree, further down this road and eek we may have problems. But I think it's more likely that they'll begin to get frustrated, if it honestly gets that out of hand. There was that short Dutch article which said that BoB wanted them to be more commercial and they didn't want to.

My worry is they'll just say eh whatever and roll with it. Ed's already all 'yeah we sound more commercial, yeah its kind of sentimental, who wants to be difficult'. And Bo'B keeps raving about how eddies all agreable nowadays.

Plus they're still talking about how playing the songs live is way important, and these songs are easier to play then some of the older shit...

I'm loving this song more and more.

Sentimental bastard like me:)

stupidmop wrote:

harmless wrote:For a long time, my feeling about Pearl Jam has been "Well, I'm OK with this sounding like this now, but...". And that's still my feeling. I agree, further down this road and eek we may have problems. But I think it's more likely that they'll begin to get frustrated, if it honestly gets that out of hand. There was that short Dutch article which said that BoB wanted them to be more commercial and they didn't want to.

My worry is they'll just say eh whatever and roll with it. Ed's already all 'yeah we sound more commercial, yeah its kind of sentimental, who wants to be difficult'. And Bo'B keeps raving about how eddies all agreable nowadays.

Plus they're still talking about how playing the songs live is way important, and these songs are easier to play then some of the older shit...

It's been obvious since at least S/T, maybe further, that they prioritise playing live now. I've seen them moving in that direction since the fans began lapping up the "Touring Band" shtick. Suddenly all their failings on record were forgiven because well, "they're a live band anyway". I've felt that frustration for years, because I want albums. I can't enjoy the concert experience nearly as often as some others, so I wish making records was a higher priority to them. But that's all old ground.

But did you see that Dutch article? It was recent, and it said that BoB would like them to be making more pop radio hits, but Ed and the band don't want to. He keeps pushing them and they don't want to go there. That's recent, so I do think there's some push and shove, even though they've generally gone for a more shiny sound with BoB. "Pop" was the intent during Backspacer (and to a slightly lesser extent, LB), and they view BoB as the expert on "pop" music, so probably go with his decisions because that's what they want at the moment. I hope it's not what they'll always want, though. I'm hoping they'll soon move forward with what BoB has taught them, and accept and disregard as necessary.

harmless wrote:

stupidmop wrote:

harmless wrote:For a long time, my feeling about Pearl Jam has been "Well, I'm OK with this sounding like this now, but...". And that's still my feeling. I agree, further down this road and eek we may have problems. But I think it's more likely that they'll begin to get frustrated, if it honestly gets that out of hand. There was that short Dutch article which said that BoB wanted them to be more commercial and they didn't want to.

My worry is they'll just say eh whatever and roll with it. Ed's already all 'yeah we sound more commercial, yeah its kind of sentimental, who wants to be difficult'. And Bo'B keeps raving about how eddies all agreable nowadays.

Plus they're still talking about how playing the songs live is way important, and these songs are easier to play then some of the older shit...

It's been obvious since at least S/T, maybe further, that they prioritise playing live now. I've seen them moving in that direction since the fans began lapping up the "Touring Band" shtick. Suddenly all their failings on record were forgiven because well, "they're a live band anyway". I've felt that frustration for years, because I want albums. I can't enjoy the concert experience nearly as often as some others, so I wish making records was a higher priority to them. But that's all old ground.

But did you see that Dutch article? It was recent, and it said that BoB would like them to be making more pop radio hits, but Ed and the band don't want to. He keeps pushing them and they don't want to go there. That's recent, so I do think there's some push and shove, even though they've generally gone for a more shiny sound with BoB. "Pop" was the intent during Backspacer (and to a slightly lesser extent, LB), and they view BoB as the expert on "pop" music, so probably go with his decisions because that's what they want at the moment. I hope it's not what they'll always want, though. I'm hoping they'll soon move forward with what BoB has taught them, and accept and disregard as necessary.

BoBs been saying that for ages though, and the band has been saying that about eddie for years. Brenden wanted them to be more commercial or whatever and they hold back, ed writes a really poppy song and then filps it upside down so its not too poppy, or they leave it off an album (sad). Its just that now they're listening to him. And eddies fixering songs to make them more poppy, which im sure gets BoB all giddy. I guess its possible that they could go back to fighting him more on it but i dont know. Plus its not even the poppy thing, its the LB/BS kind of poppy i dont like. If they were writing sads and betterman's they could plaster the radios for all i care. Its this weird kinda dated pop sound theyve got going that i dont understand.

I'm not a musician so i don't know really, but what makes me sad most of all about the whole writing songs to play live thing, is that they're saying these songs are easier to play, so they're dumbing down thier own music? Are any of thier older songs especially hard to play? Corduroy, hail hail etc? they could still be writing songs like those if they wanted to.

stupidmop wrote: I'm not a musician so i don't know really, but what makes me sad most of all about the whole writing songs to play live thing, is that they're saying these songs are easier to play, so they're dumbing down thier own music? Are any of thier older songs especially hard to play? Corduroy, hail hail etc? they could still be writing songs like those if they wanted to.

They're talking about that in one of their new interviews. I think Jeff mentioned Even Flow is a song that's not very easy to play. I don't think Corduroy and Hail, Hail are hard songs. Songs like Evacuation and Cropduster are ones they would shy away from nowadays I think and that's a shame.

Jeff means that evenflow is hard to play in that its hard on his wrists as his parts are really really repetitive.
We met his tech George once and he was telling this. I'd say its harder on jeff than anyone except maybe Matt

What I gathered from their interviews is that they're happier with songs that are not necessarily easier to play but songs that are working well live. So very subtle songs that rely on intricate guitar work and studio atmosphere for example are not what Pearl Jam is looking to create. Most of the time that results in simpler songs.

dimejinky99 wrote:Jeff means that evenflow is hard to play in that its hard on his wrists as his parts are really really repetitive.
We met his tech George once and he was telling this. I'd say its harder on jeff than anyone except maybe Matt

Yeah, his bass part during the endless solo is pretty fast and repetitive.

Oh well, don't want jeffs hands to fall off.

I feel this gif is apt in describing brenden o'briens work on this song, and much of the rest of the album