Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Sat December 09, 2023 8:06 pm
Terrifying.
Ps these are illegal
Ps these are illegal
Exactly what they wanted to happen
Red Mosquito
Israel & Palestine
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Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Sat December 09, 2023 10:45 pm
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Sun December 10, 2023 2:27 pm
There's two things that have puzzled me about the lefty reaction to all for a while now and reading this reminded of the first one: "Why are ceasefire demands never conditioned on Hamas surrendering?":
The other being that if Hamas really is a tiny and unpopular faction in Gaza (whom Israel estimates at about 30,000 fighters) that does not represent the broad perspective of ordinary civilians there, why do the other 1,980,000 Gazans not rise up against them? If what is said about Hamas' popularity is true, they out number Hamas ~65:1 and could fight back if they chose to. Instead they choose to fight Israel and watch their children suffer and die in an avoidable conflict.
"Every once in a while I'll see a well-meaning liberal type on X write something like, "yeah I think Israel's military action is excessive, too much civilian death and destruction, but I'm kinda puzzled why people on the left don't call for Hamas to surrender. It's not like Hamas isn't an evil reactionary organization, peace isn't really possible with them in charge, and there would then be no excuse for Israel to continue to level Gaza."
I have an answer: Any real concern the relevant "people on the left" have about Gaza's civilians, about the prospects for peace, or about Hamas reign of terror are subsumed by their number 1 priority, which is that Israel lose. Hamas surrendering means Israel wins. A cease-fire with Hamas still in power means Israel loses. That's all that ultimately counts, which is why they demand a cease-fire, but never with the condition that Hamas be disarmed and removed from power."
The other being that if Hamas really is a tiny and unpopular faction in Gaza (whom Israel estimates at about 30,000 fighters) that does not represent the broad perspective of ordinary civilians there, why do the other 1,980,000 Gazans not rise up against them? If what is said about Hamas' popularity is true, they out number Hamas ~65:1 and could fight back if they chose to. Instead they choose to fight Israel and watch their children suffer and die in an avoidable conflict.
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Sun December 10, 2023 5:16 pm
Just go and punch Hamas in the face a bunch of times. How hard could it be?
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Sun December 10, 2023 8:37 pm
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Sun December 10, 2023 9:29 pm
Would love to hear this explanation
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Mon December 11, 2023 12:50 am
Suggesting unarmed civilians should overthrow a particularly ruthless terrorist organization is giving me poo-brained 'Murican "try to take my rifle away and we'll rise up and overthrow the government!" vibes. Good one, ya helmet.
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Mon December 11, 2023 1:23 am
Maybe when you and no one you know has regular access to food, water, fuel, communication, shelter, healthcare, education, or safety, you lack the mental bandwidth for revolution.
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Mon December 11, 2023 1:29 am
Yeah, apparently half of them are starving. But if they keep their dukes up I'm sure they'll be fine.
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Mon December 11, 2023 2:43 am
Maybe if we bomb a refugee camp that'll light a fire under them.
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Mon December 11, 2023 11:48 am
It's interesting that the simplest answer is not considered
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Mon December 11, 2023 4:16 pm
A journey of a thousand miles begins with one simple overthrowing of Hamas.
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Mon December 11, 2023 4:36 pm
The simplest answer being what? Release the hostages? Do you really think Israel is going to let up on the pounding of Gaza/Hamas just because the hostages are all released? There is no way.Bi_3 wrote:It's interesting that the simplest answer is not considered
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Mon December 11, 2023 4:41 pm
what if someone plays "Imagine" on a very huge boombox? Maybe the US can bring Kendal Jenner with a few pepsi?
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Mon December 11, 2023 4:50 pm
The Gazans don’t want to overthrow HamasE.H. Ruddock wrote:The simplest answer being what? Release the hostages? Do you really think Israel is going to let up on the pounding of Gaza/Hamas just because the hostages are all released? There is no way.Bi_3 wrote:It's interesting that the simplest answer is not considered
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Tue December 12, 2023 8:14 pm
Egypt was very successful with this strategy.
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Wed December 13, 2023 1:42 am
you seem to know them wellBi_3 wrote:The Gazans don’t want to overthrow HamasE.H. Ruddock wrote:The simplest answer being what? Release the hostages? Do you really think Israel is going to let up on the pounding of Gaza/Hamas just because the hostages are all released? There is no way.Bi_3 wrote:It's interesting that the simplest answer is not considered
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Wed December 13, 2023 4:18 am
Differentiating Hamas from Gaza was always dumb, and both sides did it early on. Pure cope.
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Wed December 13, 2023 5:35 am
There are plenty of Gazans that want nothing to do with Hamas.
Re: Israel & Palestine
Posted: Wed December 13, 2023 10:30 am
It was never about Hamas. It was about and remains a genocide.
"BREAKING| Israeli forces besiege Al Shifa Hospital in Jenin in the West Bank right now.
QNN correspondent along with other journalists, medical teams, and patients are surrounded in the hospital."
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"BREAKING| Israeli forces besiege Al Shifa Hospital in Jenin in the West Bank right now.
QNN correspondent along with other journalists, medical teams, and patients are surrounded in the hospital."
Via Al quds news network