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tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:Stip was correct, Running sounds good followed by Dark Matter; say what you want about the production values, at least there's a consistency here

Virtually every album in the world has consistent production values, that’s exactly what mastering is for

yes thank you Trag, but you did say "virtually", correct? so I can hear when they don't; and I said this because there are two Pearl Jam albums I feel the opposite way about (LB and BS, but particularly LB), and my personal wish for this album is simply that it is more consistent in sound than those two

LB and BS have the same production values throughout as well. For examples of albums with diverse production elements, I’d look to the Beastie Boys, Beck, Kendrick Lamar’s TPAB…all of which went through the same mastering process to create a cohesive sound.

Trag, I disagree that those PJ albums I mentioned sound that way, regardless of what objective, scientific, observable processes those albums went through, and despite the fact they let you sit in on the sessions

You sound like a lunatic. It would be way easier for you to just say “I don’t really get how production works, but some of the songs on BS and LB sound ok to me, and some don’t.”

My point is that in suggesting the consistency in production values between Dark Matter and Running is somehow a mark of quality, you’ve in fact made no point at all.

fuck off Trag, nowhere did I say "mark of quality"

Don’t try to gaslight me into thinking I somehow misconstrued your comment quite at the top of this disgusting pyramid. We all know what you meant. Just admit you’re wrong.

"we all" aren't being the dickhead you are being

Review this entire exchange maybe after you’ve slept on it, and I think you’ll find that I’m being respectfully pedantic, and you’re being illogically rude.

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:Stip was correct, Running sounds good followed by Dark Matter; say what you want about the production values, at least there's a consistency here

Virtually every album in the world has consistent production values, that’s exactly what mastering is for

yes thank you Trag, but you did say "virtually", correct? so I can hear when they don't; and I said this because there are two Pearl Jam albums I feel the opposite way about (LB and BS, but particularly LB), and my personal wish for this album is simply that it is more consistent in sound than those two

LB and BS have the same production values throughout as well. For examples of albums with diverse production elements, I’d look to the Beastie Boys, Beck, Kendrick Lamar’s TPAB…all of which went through the same mastering process to create a cohesive sound.

Trag, I disagree that those PJ albums I mentioned sound that way, regardless of what objective, scientific, observable processes those albums went through, and despite the fact they let you sit in on the sessions

You sound like a lunatic. It would be way easier for you to just say “I don’t really get how production works, but some of the songs on BS and LB sound ok to me, and some don’t.”

My point is that in suggesting the consistency in production values between Dark Matter and Running is somehow a mark of quality, you’ve in fact made no point at all.

fuck off Trag, nowhere did I say "mark of quality"

Don’t try to gaslight me into thinking I somehow misconstrued your comment quite at the top of this disgusting pyramid. We all know what you meant. Just admit you’re wrong.

"we all" aren't being the dickhead you are being

Review this entire exchange maybe after you’ve slept on it, and I think you’ll find that I’m being respectfully pedantic, and you’re being illogically rude.

I'm being very calculatedly and deliberately rude at this point

While completely failing to defend any logical context to your initial statement

Jorge wrote:

DDWJMUVW wrote:I’m beginning to think that some folks who have described these new songs as “too loud” or a “wall of mush” have a vastly different musical background than I. Of course while PJ was the first love, I spent a lot of time in the mid/late 90s and early 2000s listening to east coast punk bands (saves the day, H2O, mxpx, millencolin - Swedish - etc). You want heavy? Those bands are actually heavy. So to me the new DM songs are not offensive

It's not really about the music style, about whether it's "heavy". You mentioned Millencolin. Listen to Pennybridge Pioneers. You can really hear the tone of the guitars, there's colors to it, everything sounds well balanced, nuances in playing really shine through even though the music is aggressive. You can turn the volume up and it sounds good, like you're walking closer towards the band instead of sticking your ear in the PA. With "Running" you turn the volume up and it just sounds like a bunch of white noise, abrasive and indistinct

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:the problem is that you think people disliking you and the way you treat people demonstrates a lack of intelligence

Not at all. I’m just watching you flail around out of reactionary emotion instead of just saying “yeah that first post didn’t make much sense.” It’s kind of fascinating how stubborn you’re being about it.

stip wrote:

Tj wrote:I don't mean this in a negative way. I am really into running. The one think that strikes me is it feels like a retooling of a formula that has gotten a bit tired. It sounds fresh . It leans into a different punk influence a little less Ramones a little bit more Motor Head. I can also listen to each Parr and get the why of each players choices and parts. I enjoy how Mike is kind of bouncing around kind of floundering right under the surface. I feel like I am being set up for a Social d style solo the out of nowhere comes a tsunami alarm .

i think you hit on something that really appeals to me - the fact that at every point of the song each band member is making a choice - that there is space within the song for them to play, and in a way that reflects the reality of a song being co-constructed around them. THIS is what I wanted, what capturing the live experience means to me, and what the band being in a room together should feel like. this is much more important (to me) then cleaner instrument separation

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:

tragabigzanda wrote:

Ms Harmless wrote:Stip was correct, Running sounds good followed by Dark Matter; say what you want about the production values, at least there's a consistency here

Virtually every album in the world has consistent production values, that’s exactly what mastering is for

yes thank you Trag, but you did say "virtually", correct? so I can hear when they don't; and I said this because there are two Pearl Jam albums I feel the opposite way about (LB and BS, but particularly LB), and my personal wish for this album is simply that it is more consistent in sound than those two

LB and BS have the same production values throughout as well. For examples of albums with diverse production elements, I’d look to the Beastie Boys, Beck, Kendrick Lamar’s TPAB…all of which went through the same mastering process to create a cohesive sound.

Trag, I disagree that those PJ albums I mentioned sound that way, regardless of what objective, scientific, observable processes those albums went through, and despite the fact they let you sit in on the sessions

You sound like a lunatic. It would be way easier for you to just say “I don’t really get how production works, but some of the songs on BS and LB sound ok to me, and some don’t.”

My point is that in suggesting the consistency in production values between Dark Matter and Running is somehow a mark of quality, you’ve in fact made no point at all.

fuck off Trag, nowhere did I say "mark of quality"

Don’t try to gaslight me into thinking I somehow misconstrued your comment quite at the top of this disgusting pyramid. We all know what you meant. Just admit you’re wrong.

"we all" aren't being the dickhead you are being

Review this entire exchange maybe after you’ve slept on it, and I think you’ll find that I’m being respectfully pedantic, and you’re being illogically rude.

digster wrote:

stip wrote:some folks also have hyper sensitive ears, apparently.

I am going to crank running and dark matter in my car. its going to be a great commute

Some seem under the impression that the problem is PJ turned their amps up too loud and some listeners can't handle it. That's not really the issue. A mid-tempo or even slow song can suffer from this kind of thing. It's a choice in the production, not in the composition. I'd love it if PJ went really heavy, but this kind of production style makes things sound smaller and tinnier, which I'd imagine is the opposite reaction.

The production is what it is; if I discounted every album that had crappy production, the list of albums I like would be much shorter. So far, the problem for me is both songs have some pretty bland songwriting choices (though that's more of an issue w/ Dark Matter than here).

VinylGuy wrote:

bluestate wrote:BTW, Good and Evil is a much better song

yeah i agree

tragabigzanda wrote:We’ve already covered facts vs opinions. You said “ say what you want about the production values, at least there's a consistency here.” If I somehow misunderstood the point you were trying to make, then kindly enlighten me.

tragabigzanda wrote:

Jorge wrote:"You sound like a lunatic" isn't very respectful

I didn’t say she IS a lunatic!